New Daniel Carr Morgan Dollar

IMO, Carr (coins) and Boggs (paper) are in the same mold - great artists!

Their works of art bring good money. IMO, Carr's products are too cheap.

 

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Can I just point out one thing?? Post number 15
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/there-was-a-1964-morgan.283179/

I feel compensation is in order, just kidding.

I am contemplating buying one, just because i like owning things that the government wouldnt want me to own lol.

 

No actual coins were found, no actual working dies were found and even if so it would be a Philly reverse

 

Also Andy Warhol's work was mentioned earlier and i think this is a really bad example for your arguments. His pieces are some of the most faked works of art ever. So much so that they created a committee to authenticate his work. However they were shut down because... They authenticed fakes!

The only credible source for authenticating his works is the Andy Warhol museum in Pittsburgh.

Art gets faked all the time. How many people have fake pieces of art decorating their homes that they know are reproductions?? Maybe i want a fake 1964 morgan to "decorate" my collection with.

 

I know all that. I think you missed my point. Look at post 15 of that thread. I mean I practically gave him the idea lol

 

It is actually very easy. If charges were pursued, the government would be well within the statute of limitations especially given the application of the continuing offense/violation doctrine. In other words, for each new fantasy issue, he delays the clock on any applicable statute of limitations.

Interesting. Boggs was discussed on the NGC forums. He sued the government seeking a legal declaration that his pieces were art and not counterfeits. The courts rejected his arguments.

 

Won't the Secret Service have a small issue with these? lol

 

Nope. They aren't counterfeits. They are nothing more than altered original coins (think hobo nickles) with fantasy dates not intenended to defraud

 

They should if they follow the law. Read the posts referenced by @physics-fan3.14 .

 

Well just purchased one with the high grade finish. Can't wait to get it.

 

Are those the ones on the NGC boards? I still haven't seen a link to those yet.

 

I agree, counterfeits have absolutely nothing to do with the question of Andy Warhol's work being art! U.S. Mint coins are counterfeited also. So are some of Carr's products. Unfortunately, Even a very deceptive copy of something that is valuable and very attractive is attractive on its own!

 

Good! Much of history shows that when the government gets involved, the products they go after become even more valuable and desirable!

 

Mine shipped as well! I will probably buy a few of the proof like ones as well.

 

I assume this is what Physics is referring to, and there are multiple posts. Here are some of the more useful:

And regarding the HPA, the FTC has already held that fantasy date variations are covered, and one of the cases discusses this in the context of counterfeit coinage.

And most importantly, here is the discussion of what it means to be a "counterfeit" coin within the HPA context (and this is from a FTC opinion discussing the matter not any message board poster's thoughts or opinions):

The FTC also recently asked for comments on the HPA and suggested rules. People suggested that it specifically address fantasy coins, and the FTC wrote that such modifications were unnecessary since in its opinion the pieces were already required to be marked with the word "COPY."

The bottom line is that Carr's works are a bane to this hobby, and numerous individuals (myself included) are well justified in believing that the pieces violate the counterfeiting statutes and the Hobby Protection Act.

Edited: To add actual FTC commentary.

 

Thanks for the legal side. BUY THOSE REPRO'S QUICK as they will be traded on the underground after they are outlawed.

Before gold was OK to own again, the only way to collect Saudi gold disc's issued in the 40's was in this manner. IMO, these coins will one day be treated just as Western gold ingots are today.

 

I would think the Secret Service would go after the micro o Morgans and Henning Nickels before Dan Carr's over-strikes. These are counterfeits that were meant to deceive the public.

 

SS has been more concerned w/counterfeit bills than coins since at least the 1990's. I'm pretty sure even during the 1980's. ANACS took over a lot of their work. When a c/f was sent out, a card was enclosed telling the owner to contact SS so they could trace the fake back to it's source.

 

No body is taking away my contemporary counterfeits!

 

Plus, ya know, those weren't alterations of existing coins