Cud on 2015P Saratoga?

Sorry I'm asking so many questions on here. I'm going through all my change right now. Being hopeful of finding a mint error.

Is this a cud?

 

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Don't be sorry. You won't know if you don't ask!
Could be a Die Chip. Also it might be a small Die Gauge Chip. Minor error and fairly common.
Not a Cud. Cuds only form near the edge of a coin.
Thanks for sharing.

 

@Treashunt Paddy is correct. If it is not debris on the coin, it is a die chip.

 

Looks like a die chip to me also. Follow the base of the bust closer and you may also see a fine die crack. Cracks tend to lead towards chips as they go along and get worse as the die gets overused. You will find this often on Philadelphia coins.

 

This site will and value to your cud searching:

http://cuds-on-coins.com/

 

Awesome. Super helpful! Thanks everyone

 

TJ's absolutely right you have a lot of helpful members here. Here's one photo from my collection I think you'll find helpful. This cud goes from the rim along the surface to the bottom of the locomotive. Unlike the chip at the back of the cab. Hope you find this photo helpful Also this is a change find.

 

By definition both on your coin are considered to be a "Die Chip" or "Die Break", not a CUD.

 

I knew this was going to be a controversial coin when I showed it. I think it would be appropriate if you explained yourself to the new member. And I can only assume by your reply that this does not qualify as a CUD . I can only assume in your standards this coin that I'm going to show you would not qualify either.?

 

I don't have time at the moment to explain but I'm pretty sure if you type "Die Cud" or something similar into any search engine you and the new member will get ample results and explanations as well as several pictures about CUDs and Retained CUDs.

It has nothing to do with my standards, I keep what interest me with total disregard for others opinions or interest. Depending on who you talk to it could be either a very minor "Rim CUD" or a "Die Chip". Personally for me its to small either way to be of any interest other than something of which to teach others. IMHO

 

Yes it may be small, but it is still a cud. This one is one of my submissions on cuds on coins and has been on there for a little while. I personally believe you're setting a bad example to any new members by insinuating the size of an error depends on what the error is.The size of an error by no way changes what the error is.As far as your statement about going on your search engine and looking up cuds. There lies a big problem. The multitude of definitions. I just picked one at random and this is what it said.
Glossary of Numismatic Terms& Acronyms
Index
cud
- cattle ranchers have one definition for cud. Coin collectors have a different one. When a coin is struck by a broken die the place where the die is broken or missing will often show up as extra metal on the surface of a coin. This extra piece of metal or "cud" can be from a piece of the die being missing or a still intact, but moved.
cud
A raised lump of metal on a coin caused by a piece of a die having broken off. This is a majority of what you will find on definitions concerning die cuds.Then if you're lucky you will come across this definition.
Collectors more often than not refer to a major die break under the slang term "Cud." The term has it roots in the early error-variety hobby when the use of nicknames was more prevalent than today. This is one of the few slang terms that has stuck. No matter what you want to call it, a Major Die Break or "Cud" always involves a breakage of the die that includes a portion of its shank and field and or design areas. In other words, it will involve a section of the die from its edge large enough to include some of the face of the die that has broken and fallen away or has in some rare cases been retained.
This is from
Ken Potter - NLG
July 17, 2006

 

Yes I've seen it on Cuds-on-Coins, congrats on having one in you collection on a public media that is helping others learn, which was my original point. I personally would call it a CUD but part of my point is that it can be argued that it could be considered to be a Die Chip. There was no offense to your coin implied.

I did not and would not insinuate that "Size Matters"! To remind you what I sad:

"Personally for me its to small either way to be of any interest other than something of which to teach others. IMHO"

I in No way was belittling it to no one and I clearly stated that it depends on who you talk to. Others often have different opinions and they are entitled to do so. As far as setting a bad example for new members, the OP's questions had already been answered by several people including yourself when you posted this:

I disagreed with your assessment about 1 of those errors being a CUD and I still disagree. I was making an attempt to clear up some misinformation (IMO) so as not to confuse the new member.

I'm sure most people can understand the difference between hay or grass being chewed by a cow and I didn't think I should have had to elaborate on that topic, I suppose I was wrong. If the examples that you posted is the only results that you have gotten from searching for "Die Cud" the you are either doing something wrong or it is time to seriously consider changing your search engine. My quick search returned helpful information like:
http://lincolncentresource.com/Errors/Cud.html
http://cuds-on-coins.com/cuds/
http://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-cuds/
http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglossary/g/cud_defined.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_defect
http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/WhatIsACud.htm
http://indianvarieties.com/what-is-a-die-variety/cud-terminal-die-failures/
http://www.vamworld.com/Cud
http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=8283
http://www.error-ref.com/cuds/
http://en.mimi.hu/numismatic/cud.html
There are many more pages that came up in my search, 13,800,000 items to be exact. It took me 2 minutes to list the ones above and I'm sure if you spent at 10 minutes looking you could find more than Regurgitated Moo Moo Food! The internet is a wonderful thing if used properly and intelligently!

 

Look we both think we have the best interest concerning new members. I firmly believed if you like it keep it. My piggy bank collection has some of the oddest coins. I know there's a lot of members out there that would not waste their time. And I'm surprised you didn't catch my misquote, which I hope to correct right now size does matter. In order to properly identify some errors size becomes a factor in determining the error. Example size determines a chip compared to a major die break a chip is under 4 MM's and a major die brakes 5 MM's and up. And as far as search engine goes my Windows 10 actually uses Google Chrome. Has served me faithfully for many years. Basically the point I was trying to make is there's so much information available. And a lot of that information is conflicting. One says one thing another says another. That's the only point I was trying to make about looking up cuds. Without starting another verbal war on coin talk. I have stopped expressing my personal opinions when it concerns cuds. It's easier to put a fake smile on my face and go with the flow. And if you want to know what I mean by this statement go to my first post snow on the roof. A lot of my beliefs still remain the same except for I do not express them it is not worth all the aggravation. And as far as cuds on coins go I have several listed there. And a variety listed on Wexler site. Unlike some. I managed to contribute a couple new fines a month in the doubled die varieties. I believe in less talk and more doing. Example. A lot of members on coin talk do a lot of repeating information. Two members questions. And the answer the questions quite eloquently. But one things lacking a visual example of what they're talking about. If say the members shows a coin that has been chemically treated. A lot of members have a lot to say about that coin but very few can go into their collection and pull one out. Because they do not waste their time on those kinds of coins. I guess they find it easier to go online and pull a photo that someone else is taken and display it as a chemically treated coin. But they actually do not own one. It's garbage to them and not worth their time. That's okay to each their own.USMC60

 

Are you referring to Environmentally Damaged or acid treated? I have shown my Environmental Damage coins plenty of times!

 

Pattyman your one of the few. I believe it is nice when you can go into your owner collection and pull out what is being discussed. Visually it helps a lot of the new members understand more. Than just posting a link. It showing the members that you have a hands on experience with that particular type of error whatever it may be an if it's not an error or PMD or whatever.And not being the one who says I have found plenty of these in circulation and just put them back not worth my time. I personally think I can take a little time and put a coin I find interesting in a tube mark PMDs. Patty I think I'll start a thread on coin roll hunting interesting PMDs found in coin rolls. I am sure there's a few other members out there that also collect these oddities. It not surprising what normal circulation can do to a coin. And what people can do to a coin. I have some PMDs you'd think the individual who did this to the coin had some anger issues to resolve.

 

New poster here. I'm missing something. I see a major die break from the rim to the base of the cab of the locomotive and then up to the field behind the cab.

I do not see anything remotely resembling a "cud." Now, I read the link to Ken Potter that was written in 2006. He probably should update it as by that link anyone could call what you have a cud! While true cuds involve the rim and continue on to the field; they usually turn back into the rim at some point in their progression. IMHO, the major die break on your coin is not a true "cud" and the die will continue to deteriorate until the break returns to the rim (then the major break becomes a retained cud). When the piece breaks away, these coins will have a true cud as illustrated in the other links.

I am posting here as you have argued in many threads that you are free to use or interpret numismatic terms any way you wish. IMO, it's too bad you feel like that.

 

I look at this world Around me with open eyes. And a Open mind. Not all humans are the same, not all humans think alike, human beliefs are different. It is not my place to tell anyone what to think. All I can do is express my opinion and what I think. It is their choice to accept it or not. Look at our world today a lot of the major conflicts are due to interpretation of written documents. And someone telling someone else that their way is the only way and right way. Humans are always going to interpret things differently. And even see things differently. And if I'm not mistaken that is a documented fact. Now moving on your absolutely correct in the sense of two major die brakes. But some will argue that since that major die break goes into the rim it can qualify as a cud. Again it goes back to human interpretation of the definition.

 

...AND THAT IS THE EXACT POINT MANY TRY TO GET ACROSS TO OTHERS WHO POST HERE. Some "interpretations" and those who have them are, shall we say...incorrect.

 

(And with your guidance they will be correct?)