What is going on with surface of this 1930 Buffalo?

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  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    That is correct, but if the tape is going to move/eat the surface of the coin, there goes your luster. It is not that the acetone will or won't do anything to the coin. It would be gone before you get to the acetone.
     
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  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I don't know her!
     
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  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    @jtlee321 What does the rim edge look like behind and below the feather? It looks awfully rough from what I can make out.
     
  5. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    It is most likely a planchet flaw.
     
  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Look at the rim between 8 and 10 o'clock, and 2 and 3 o'clock, something happen there ....
     
  7. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Here is a map of the affected area. Some of the rims are affected, yet down at the bottom, there is a ridge that is not affected on the rim.

    1930-Buffalo-Nickel-Obverse-Map.jpg
     
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  8. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

    It looks like struck through but know idea what and how it could've made that pattern.
     
  9. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

    Your pictures are incredible by the way
     
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  10. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    That is a brilliant excellent if (whatever you call that and however you did it) the affected area in question Justin!
     
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  11. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    No, I meant the edge. Side view on the coin.
     
  12. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Somebody spilled Coca Cola on it - that crap will eat through anything, including your stomach lining! LOL!
     
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  13. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I miss understood you. Yes, there are patches of it on the edge, but not with the same texture as the obverse. It's slightly different.

    This part of the edge would correspond to the top edge of the obverse. Above the Indian's head.
    Edge-view.jpg
     
  14. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I did a quick and dirty focus stack shot of the edge with the obverse visible so you can see how the "odd" areas line up.

    Edited to add a better focus stacked image.

    1930-Buffal-Nickel-Focus-Stack.jpg
     
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  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Great pictures!

    That is not what I was expecting. BTW, you say it is a different pattern. I am seeing a different pattern on the top of the rim in that area also.

    I think that eliminates the planchet problem. How could the planchet flaw go completely through the coin but not show a whit on the reverse?

    By the process of elimination, you must have a strike through. Apparently whatever it was got on the coin/planchet after punching and before minting. I have no clue what it was or where it came from.
     
  16. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    @rlm's cents posted: "I think that eliminates the planchet problem." I agree. "How could the planchet flaw go completely through the coin but not show a whit on the reverse?" Easy, commonly seen as it happens all the time.
    "By the process of elimination, you must have a strike through." I disagree. "Apparently whatever it was got on the coin/planchet after punching and before minting. I have no clue what it was or where it came from."

    Now, @Treashunt I'm 100% sure. ;) Liquid chemical flow all over the coin and edge = Chemical etching of some kind. IMO, if you try to slab it, you'll get a "details" grade of either "Corroded" or "Altered Surface."

    I still want it.:D
     
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  17. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Although I have seen numerous planchet problems (mostly wood grain) where the problem is only on one side, they do not have a side view showing the anomaly going completely through the coin. You say "commonly seen as it happens all the time." I will bet that you cannot show me a single coin with evidence that it goes completely through the coin but can only be seen on one side.
    To copy you - I disagree! Again, any etching removes all luster. Think of an over-dipped coin and this coin has 10 times the etching but fantastic luster. Cannot possibly be etching.
     
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  18. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Thanks. Yeah it's the darndest thing. But I really like it. Stuff like this strikes my fancy. :) When I saw it on eBay, I put on my watch list immediately and then put a strong snipe on it.
     
  19. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    The etching I could see would be pre-strike as @Insider had said. Had the etching been deep enough it could leave a pattern like it has and because of it being struck and the metal forced to move, the luster formed, leaving the pattern behind.
     
  20. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    That's the weirdest thing
     
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    rlm's cents Numismatist

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