1794 Large Cent

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  1. Packrat

    Packrat Well-Known Member

    I need help with this 1794 Large Cent, including variety, value, etc. It is in an old SEGS holder, number 5111929214666421301 and graded VF-20, but there is no variety designation. I know SEGS is not a top grader. Also, is that a die break running through the date? Any help is appreciated.
     

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  3. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Attributing 1794 cents is hard. You will need to post a photo of the reverse without the glare which might be covering a diagnostic spot on the "O" in "OF."
     
  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The die break may be all that is needed unless it was used for other die pairings. That's probably why the reverse image was asked for. If no one replies by Monday, I'll look it up at work.
     
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  6. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    I got a chance to use one of my new Noyes books. :)
    It's a Sheldon-43 Noyes die state D/D. It has a Rarity of 2 which means that there are an estimated 600-1000 survivors.
    It's a neat coin, especially with those die cracks!
     
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  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Is that the only use of the Obverse die?
     
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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Can't help but I have to say that this is a wonderful coin. Love the history of these older Large Cents. Thanks, for sharing!
     
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  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Another Reference: U.S. Large Cents 1793-1795, Vol. 1 by Robert Powers
     
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  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I have own three 1794 large cents during my time as a collector. The first one had fairly nice obverse, but the reverse was virtually blank. It was my type coin when I was in high school.

    Here is the second one. The grading services kicked this one back to my in a "body bag" as a no grade.

    1794 Cent All.jpg

    My current piece is a Sheldon 20. This coin has a long pedigree. It's most famous recent owner was Dan Holmes. It's in a PCGS MS-62, Brown holder, but the official EAC grade is AU-50.

    1794 Can Cent All.jpg

    I think that this coin is very elegant for a simple large cent. Yes, it had a lot more buying power in its day than cents do today, but it still cuts quite an image for the second most humble coin among the ten denominations that the first mint issued.

    This piece is a plate coin in David Bowers' A Guide Book of Half Cents and Large Cents. It is located at the top of page 312, "Flat Pole, Reverse Letters Close to Denticles."

    In late 1794 and for 1795, the obverse relief was lowered. This resulted in prolonging the life of the dies, but the design eye appeal suffered. Here is a high grade 1795 large cent. This one is a Sheldon 76b which is the most common variety among the Liberty Cap large cents.

    1795 Large Cent All.jpg
     
  12. Packrat

    Packrat Well-Known Member

    Thanks
     
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  14. Packrat

    Packrat Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your help. Die varieties are not my expertise and I don't encounter a lot of large cents. Does that mean it is a "Head of 1795"?
    Will this photo work? Thanks.
     

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  15. Packrat

    Packrat Well-Known Member

    The SEGS holder calls it an S-44, but what is difference in a 43 and 44?
     
  16. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    You have a Head of '94 cent. As the name empiles, the Head of '95 cents have the head that was used on that date. This is a Head of 1795.

    1795 cent O.jpg

    This is a head of 1794. It was struck in higher relief.

    1794 S-21 Cent O.jpg

    Yes, that photo is better. I worked on it a little.

    1794 Reverse Coin Talk.jpg

    I believe that you have an S-44. It doesn't make very much difference. Sheldon rated both of them as R-2, fairly common varieties.
     
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  17. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    Same obverse die, with a very, very, similar reverse die. That specific obverse die was used on the S-43, S-44, NC-5 and NC-10.
     
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  18. Packrat

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  19. Packrat

    Packrat Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your help. Redbook Professional Edition indicates 1794 could have head of 1793, 1794 or 1795 and I was not sure.
     
  20. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Yes, 1794 cents can have those three heads. The 1794 cents with the head of 1793 are by far the scarcest.
     
  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Nice Liberty Caps, y'all. Been years since I owned one- and that one had a hole in it. I can't recall offhand ever owning a decent, unholed example. Maybe I should rectify that someday, eh? ;)
     
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