Common counterfeit theme...?

If I was not offended, that is not correct. It is not only my sole responsibility to report all the counterfeits that I see plus they have been previously reported. If anything, think twice before commenting. I spend a fair amount of time writing this all up for education purpose and I get slapped in the face for "responsibility". And I'm certain it is not only me who's seeing this as problematic.

My question is what is your stance on counterfeits. I see no comments about you tackling counterfeits, instead doing the very opposite. This is post #21. Let's get back on topic.

 

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Wow.

 

Aaaaand yet another thread successfully derailed. Thanks cpm. The counterfeiters shower you with their love and appreciation.

 

I've said this before in a thread and I'll say it again.....I despise counterfeiters who try to profit from other people who trust them. I am aware of 'caveat emptor' and all that but these guys prey more on the unsuspecting and novice collector. More recently I have been successful in getting full refunds and eBay even requested me not to return the fake/reproduction items.

Accepted that in most cases it did not hurt the counterfeiters too much but in one case it was a high value item and in another instance it forced the person to close the eBay account and quite possibly open another one. I suppose auction sites should do more to control the quality of their vendors but it is an unsurmountable task and they don't want to lose their income.

Which is why threads like these are vital and can be used periodically just as reminders.

Is it possible to post something like this on eBay Community to educate bidders?

 

I had mentioned Mike M as the single person who attached and defeated the counterfeiters for Canadian coinage, but he still watches and reports when new ones appear. Almost every coin is an exact (or as close as they can get) copy of a REAL coin. They electronically scan it and then use Cad/Cam to reproduce dies as close as possible to what has been scanned. However, the scanning and laser operated die makers usually can not get the gap at the bridge of the nose exactly right, nor the wrinkles in the portrait/monarch. Mike has an extensive CD that shows EXACTLY what to look for for each denomination or NCLT. If someone could do one of those for every country and make the CD's available, it would ease things up a lot. Mike gives excellent seminars on counterfeit detection. Again, he used Paypal as the avenue to attack them, as Ebay was not cordial with their interest. Paypal attacked the money involved, not the listings.

 

You can post pictures of the questionable coin, but the eBay community area is highly under utilized. I am on there and basically see the same 20-30 people, who already know about counterfeits.

 

I'm a fan of his work and monumental effort. He used to hang around here a few years back as well.
I've also been slowly putting together a visual comparison of die markers for the modern generation of fakes. Here is one Newfie coin I did this way: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/be...erfeit-1885-newfoundland-50-cent-coin.265448/

 

I'll get in touch and have him stop in again. He never is or was much for "posting boards/sites" because so many non-believers/complainers would chime in. He was especially bugged by the collectors/dealers who thought that it was OK to own or sell counterfeits, as long as they had written on the holder or description that it was a "fake". BTW, Mike still sells his CD with all the fakes, the fake manufacturers, and the rest of the info. I think that the disc is around $25 Canadian. The thing is, what he found with the Canuck coinages and NCLT are things for folks to look at for ANY country's coinages, new or old.

Now Bobby, on the CCF coin site posts nearly every day on mostly US coinage (but some foreign) and DOES contact Ebay and Paypal. Most people can contact him to learn about what he does:
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=160

 

I'm on CCF too. Bobby is really really good at getting fakes removed. The issue is that if the fakes are not obvious fakes he generally needs some more info or evidence before reporting, and this is often not available.

I'd be interested in purchasing Mike's CD as well.

 

Another seller here. You should be able to see similar pattern as discussed previously. Wide and diversified product with similar patina and really short description - counterfeit sellers just want to get away fast after selling such products. Heavily targeted counterfeits are China, US, Mexico, Germany, Japan, Korea, Russia, Swiss and some obscure coinage.

alexa-39nnqb http://www.ebay.com/sch/alexa-39nnqb/m.html?_trksid=p3692

Another pattern I've noticed is that counterfeiters are trying to build up reputation by buying from another counterfeiters so they are happy to pay 15% fee. They've just got too much money.

Rather than dealing with naysayers as above - I believe this is one step in the right direction. Hopefully down the road when someone google their username - it might ring a lot of alarm bells. I've managed to warn a couple of buyers - no idea if they managed to get their money back.