Does every old envelope have sulfur in it? How can you tell?

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  1. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I should have put a smiley after my reply. I don't know nor do I really want to.:)
     
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  3. Chuck_A

    Chuck_A Well-Known Member

    I think this is the finest definition that I have ever heard regarding toning. Since I began studying numismatics I have never seen a better one. Thank you for a great analysis!!
     
  4. NAVY CHIEF

    NAVY CHIEF Active Member

    I used 100% rag covers for my first flight, ship cancellations and 1st day covers.
     
  5. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    I found this thread looking for what causes toning and what accelerates it. I purchased two sleeves of 2000 Silver Eagles back then from a TV coin show. They are 20 to a sleeve, soft plastic US mint tubes. I take them out maybe once every 5 years to look at them. About 10 years ago I noticed 2 or 3 had started to get some toning. Maybe they were enders, I don't know. But the tubes are sealed airtight, it requires some effort to get the top off. But that's not why I came here, I have a question. If someone 20-40 years ago lightly abrasively rubbed a coin, will toning form a new patina and fill those tiny hairline gaps? (I am talking about coins in general, not those Eagles). Or will it just mask and hide them at 30X magnification? I don't think TPGs use higher magnification for grading, just attribution?
     
  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    It is quite possible to have a 're-tone' hide an earlier cleaning but depending on the rarity of the coin, it seems the TPG companies have x-ray eyes........
     
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  7. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    Thank you. But I want to hear what the Maestro says about this. He is a fountain of knowledge. And I'm quite sure he is experienced in the black arts of coin sorcery. :D
     
  8. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I get it. But that’s cheating the world
     
  9. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Say who
     
  10. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    I'm glad to see someone else is beating the dead horse with questions besides me. The owner of this site (I think he owns it) has laid this whole argument out in this very thread. If a tree falls in the forest, and no one sees or hears it, did it happen through nature or did a chainsaw cut it? No one knows. It makes for a great debate. Me personally, I don't care for ridiculously toned coins, especially dark nasty abominations. The rainbow ones are incredible but I don't trust them either.
     
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  11. Cheech9712

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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes. The amount of time it will take is variable but it will happen. And the color of the new toning will almost certainly be a different color in that area.

    "Fill" is perhaps a poor choice of words to use in this case as it could easily be misconstrued by readers to mean fill in, make even with the surrounding surface. And that doesn't happen. The newly exposed metal is simply toned, has its color changed.

    It doesn't really hide them, as in make them impossible to see, but yes it can make them more difficult to see. But a trained eye can see them with no magnification at all. While an untrained eye probably will need magnification to see them.

    Your comment is correct in the general sense. But each individual is different when it comes to their choice of magnification for grading and or attribution. For grading some might use 5x while others might use 7x. And typically magnification is only used for the highest of grades, 69 and 70, but 5x is what is stipulated. All other grading is done with the naked eye. Unless of course you "think" you might see something and need to confirm or deny it.

    For attribution 10x is usually all that is ever needed and even then only in select cases. But there are those who prefer to use say 70x microscopes. As I said it's a personal choice.
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The numismatic community as a whole.
     
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  14. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Save the envelope money.
    Put the piece in a used Taco Bell napkin, and place it on the oak window that is sunny.
     
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  15. Hambone1946

    Hambone1946 Well-Known Member

    Wrap your coin in a taco bell napkin with some match heads around it and put it on a window sill that gets some sunlight. It will tone faster with the sulfur match heads.
    Check it every 2 to 3 months.
     
  16. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I covered that....do I have to invoke Boot Camp Rules to prevent tardiness in the future?
     
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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Some are just ugly coins
     
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  18. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    What a western great lakes girl does in finding coins, may not be what the eastern side does. That is what makes coins fun.
     
  19. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    And all this time I thought you were a dude. :D I should have known, an ex-girlfriend of mine used to use that expression all the time, "a pickin and a grinnin.....
     
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