Provenance hunt - Weber Collection and dead-end

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by larssten, Mar 25, 2024.

  1. larssten

    larssten Well-Known Member

    Hello!
    I am doing provenance research on a very rare Vitellius aureus with his father on the reverse pictured below.
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    I have made it to Jacques Schulman (Amsterdam, Netherlands), Auction March 5th 1923 lot 982 (M.L. Vierordt Collection) which refers to a Weber collection, but I am at a dead-end after following 2 different Weber collections (See below).

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    In the lot description it is supposedly from the Weber Collection where I have identified two alternative paths:

    Alternative 1: Hermann David Weber
    A German physicial pracicing medicine in England.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_David_Weber

    Most famous for his Greek collection (Spink 1922):
    https://www.forumancientcoins.com/d...s/Weber Collection of Greek Coins - Vol I.pdf

    But this book also states that he sold his Roman coins in a June 29-30th 1893 by Sotheby, Wilkinson & Hodge. I found the 1893 catalogue, but the two Vitellius aureii in this catalogue (lot 139 and 140) does not match.

    Alternative 2: Eduard Friedrich Weber (Hamburg)
    Sold his Roman coin collection through Dr. Jacob Hirsch:
    - Auction 21 - Nov. 16th 1908 (Greek Coins)
    - Auction 24 - May 10th 1909 (Roman coins - lot 1145 a similar Vitellius aureus does not match)

    Thus, I am at a dead-end at the moment.

    Questions:
    - Does the 1923 reference in Schulman refer to another Weber than the two above?
    - Did the two mentioned Weber's above sell their Roman coins elsewhere?

    Very grateful for any help!

    Thanks!
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Your second question probably gets at the truth. There's no law that says you have to sell your coins via an auction house that photographs them and records the sale. You can sell them to a dealer, or to another collector, or you can give them as a gift to your friends or family...
     
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