NGC mislabel?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by joecoincollect, Mar 24, 2024.

  1. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    To my knowledge, denarii do not have the lunar symbol below the bust, or sometimes with just the ends in front of the shoulders. That’s what I’m seeing here, but it’s labeled a billon denarius instead of a antoninianus. The reverse type is for both denominations, unfortunately. Do you agree with their label, or was it supposed to be a antoninianus?
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  3. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Reverse below:
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  4. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    they probably meant to label it as a "double denarius"
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Looking at the coin causes chaos.:confused:
     
  6. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I forgot that’s their typical title for an antoninianus. So a mislabel then, still. “Bl” is short for billon rather than the word double
     
  7. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    Like George Carlin said, "WHY?!!!" Why was that slabbed?
     
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  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Because speculators think that if they throw any ancient scrap of metal into a slab, some fool will come along and be parted from his money. Unfortunately, they're right.
     
  9. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    Here's my Salonina, which is labeled as "BI Double Denarius". Kind of tough to make out the details on yours, but it looks like the same type to me. I think you might be on to something, but then again, I'm no expert and I'm not aware of all the nuanced determinations when it comes to these things.

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    I do not ever recall seeing a coin labeled "BI Denarius" or what that label would even refer to as a denomination, so I'm guessing that @Victor_Clark 's suggestion is probably correct "Meant Double".
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Billon is any alloy where the base metal is a larger percentage than the silver, 51% and up. Salonina's antoniniani are definitely billon, even though they frequently look somewhat silvery. It's surprising how little silver you need to add to copper to make it look silvery. Plus, the Romans had techniques for coating base metal coins with a thin layer of bright alloy (usually some combination of zinc, antimony, and lead). Those coins are said to be "silvered."
     
  11. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Perhaps the submitter wanted an ID and could not figure it out themselves.
     
  12. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Your coin has seen a lot of history, @joecoincollect — imagine the stories it could tell.

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  13. rasielsuarez

    rasielsuarez Active Member

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    This Salonina I have is 54.75% silver. The one below only 31.66%.

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    The silver content during this reign varies wildly and not always in a linear fashion. It's as if they got by on what they had at hand.

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