PCGS MS 64 St Gaudens

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Murasaki 312, Mar 14, 2024.

  1. Murasaki 312

    Murasaki 312 New Member

    Is it possible to have a dipped PCGS MS 64 St Gaudens?
    The coin seems more bright compared to others.
    Would PCGS let that straight grade if it was dipped?
    Just wondering thoughts! thank you
     
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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Gold doesn't really tone. Ancient gold coins come out of the ground looking like they did the day they were struck.... There is a small amount of copper in a US gold coin that may show itself as a mild reddish toning on a gold coin, but I would be surprised if someone chose to dip a gold coin. Gold coins are like any. The newer the die is, the better image you get on the coin. Yours is probably an early strike. And if PCGS certified it MS64, that is good enough for me.
     
  4. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is very possible. yes the Grader may, depending on level of experience. Regardless, it is still an opinion.

    An example, it may have been treated, and not done correctly, but passed review, and later turned in the Holder for whatever reason....improper rinse, improper solution etc.etc.

    As to brightness, there could be many reasons for the appearance, that are not nefarious.
     
  5. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Pics ?

    Coins slip through all the time so it's POSSIBLE.
     
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  6. Murasaki 312

    Murasaki 312 New Member

    I uploaded a couple pics of it.
     

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  7. Murasaki 312

    Murasaki 312 New Member

    I added some pictures.
     
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  8. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    It is not possible to determine from photos of any nature. Determining same when it is a Mint state piece is another level of folly. It can not be done. Anyone that states it is or is not, without the piece in hand, is not qualified or experienced or capable of doing so.
     
  9. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    It is done frequently.
     
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  10. Murasaki 312

    Murasaki 312 New Member

    Is dipping a St Gaudens coin something that usually turns out bad? Or common. Would most people avoid it because they know what it will look like and bad? I've never dipped one so not sure. Or would it help an unc coin?
     
  11. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    My advice is don't.
     
  12. Murasaki 312

    Murasaki 312 New Member

    I'm not going to!! Just wondering if other people doing it to Unc Gaudens is common or not.
     
  13. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is done frequently. Dufus to do, but there it is.
     
  14. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    @Murasaki 312

    Yours looks totally ok, it‘s an 1916 and this kind of luster is very common for this year.
     
  15. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Old, naturally toned gold is less commonly seen because most gold coins traded in the marketplace have been dipped bright yellow.

    Judicious dipping is not considered cleaning by most, and seems to have been so widely practiced that I'd be surprised if any of the grading services would refuse to assign a straight grade to a gold coin that didn't look lifeless due to excessive dipping, and exhibited no other problems.

    Personally, I prefer naturally toned gold, but we're all different.
     
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