Vespasian Mintmark Mystery

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Over the past couple of weeks I've been enjoying ITV's Grantchester detective series, so it's only fitting that my recent acquisition required a bit of sleuthing to attribute.


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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.20g
    Ephesus Mint, 70 AD
    RIC 1418 (R3), BMC -, RSC -, RPC -
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS II TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: LIBERI IMP AVG VESPAS; Heads of Titus, bare, r., and Domitian, bare, l., confronting; BY in r. field (on its side, obscured)

    The confronting heads of Titus and Domitian is one of the rarest reverse type struck at Ephesus for Vespasian. RIC lists this extremely rare variant with mintmark sideways in right field as 'unique'. The mintmark on my coin is obscured, so the hunt was on to locate a reverse die match that would hopefully show which mintmark the die originally had. The COS II dated coins at Ephesus have one of two two marks: horizontal Φ and BY. Luckily, I was able to find a match - Lanz 128, 22 May 2006, lot 322, which showed the BY mintmark, confirming my coin's attribution. Since the publication of the new RIC, I have identified 4 specimens of this extremely rare variant with the sideways mark, all from the same reverse die. Also, take note of the unusual break in the reverse legend: V - ESPAS.

    As you can tell, I really do love these Ephesian denarii!
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Nice job, Detective! :D
     
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  4. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Very appealing coin and great score!
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Way Cool !!! I love your passion and enthusiasm!!

    I lost a 'Rome mint' version of your coin with the cool "provincial" bust that has most puzzled and disagreeing:confused:......otherwise I'd post it here:(
     
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  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Well done David, congrats!
     
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  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Great coin, David. I like the reverse especially. Congrats.
     
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  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Even with the mintmark obscured, that's an awfully nice coin.
     
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  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    the falvian 3...awesome coin!
     
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  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    @Mikey Zee I'm sorry to hear that you lost out on it. Take comfort in the fact the Rome versions of this type are much more common.

    Either I totally forgot about your lost coin or never saw it, could you please post an image here, I would love to see the style.
     
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  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    @zumbly Harry Sneh and I had a long correspondence about a possible no mintmark Vespasian COS III issue at Ephesus (we concluded there is one), so this coin was interesting to me either way!
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sweet, sweet OP-pickup ... congrats, V70

    :rolleyes:
     
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  14. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Nice pick up vespasian70 good detail on the busts, your right about Ephesus, I am the same and need more coins of the Domitian era. If anyone is interested the ruins of Ephesus are fantastic very well worth seeing, I was there last year and gobsmacked. Here is what Domitian's temple at Ephesus looks like today. 20151017_083255.jpg
     
  15. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    That is a remarkable photo! Thanks for sharing it.

    Numismatically, a great coin to go along with the photo would be a Domitian cistophorus - although struck at Rome, they were sent to Asia Minor for circulation.
     
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  16. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately I haven't got one of them, I especially like the temple of Jupiter ones. Live in hope....
     
  17. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I can't seem to access it on CNG's printed auction #103 but here's a far higher grade example with the same obverse portrait characteristics:
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  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Oh, that style is definitely Rome.

    Here is my 'Spanish' provincial of the type for comparison.

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    The seller had misattributed it to Rome. When in doubt, look for dots in the legend, for some reason this Spanish mint (Tarraco?) used them.
     
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