Diocletian AR or AE? Jupiter reverse.

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  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I don't know what to call this one. The flip says AR,
    Sear 3515 Except has an A officina and the reverse doesn't match. Looking at B, I come up with an AE,
    Ric 41. 22mm, 4.87g
    Diocletian AE Antoninianus. Lugdunum, AD 285.
    IMP CC VAL DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG, radiate draped bust right / IOVI CONSERVAT AVG, Jupiter standing left, holding thunderbolt and sceptre, B to left. Cohen 215.
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  3. Victor_Clark

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  4. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    I have one of those! It’s a bronze coin with silvering.
    DiocletianRIC41.jpg
    Edit: while posting Victor beat me to it.
     
  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Interesting, some of these obviously got a thicker coating. Thanks for the read.
     
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  6. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    Here is a Probus with very thick silver. Probus with silver.jpg
     
  7. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Yep it's bronze. Diocletian did strike the first good silver circulation coins in several decades with his argentei but those are generally pretty pricey.

    Here's my AE antoninianus similar to the OP's:
    Diocletian antoninianus Jupiter.jpg
    DIOCLETIAN, AD 284-305
    AE Antoninianus (23.53mm, 4.15g, 6h)
    Struck AD 285. Ticinum mint
    Obverse: IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust of Diocletian right
    Reverse: IOVI CONSERVAT, Jupiter standing left holding thunderbolt and scepter; P XXI T in exergue
    References: RIC V 222, RCV 12660
    Darkly toned silvering. A superb specimen, virtually as struck and well-centered on a large flan.
     
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  8. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Lugdunum was producing the same reverse type across multiple officinae at this time. As has been mentioned, all these coins were bronze with silver wash aka silvering.

    Here are two examples of the type from my collection illustrating the two officinae.

    Obv:– IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, Radiate draped and cuirassed bust right (seen from rear).
    Rev:– IOVI CONSERVAT AVG, Jupiter standing left with thunderbolt & scepter
    Minted in Lugdunum (A in left field). Emission 1 Second Series, Officina A. Mid A.D. 286 – April A.D. 286.
    References:– Cohen 215. Bastien 18. RIC V pt. 2 Lugdunum 41 Bust type C.

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    Obv:– IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, Radiate draped and cuirassed bust right (seen from rear).
    Rev:– IOVI CONSERVAT AVG, Jupiter standing left with thunderbolt & scepter
    Minted in Lugdunum (B in left field). Emission 1 Second Series, Officina A. Mid A.D. 286 – April A.D. 286.
    References:– Cohen 215. RIC V pt. 2 Lugdunum 41 Bust type C. Bastien 21 (20 examples cited)
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