BN designation on circulated coins?

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  1. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Hello. I've seen this before: a ngc graded coin in less than an unc grade with a Brown (BN) designation next to the grade. I think I've seen it below even an XF before too. As far as I know, RB, RD and BN are distinguished for Unc coins. I have a few questions:

    1. Are RB and RD given for circulated coins? If not, then why are they using BN? (since there are no other designations)

    2. Does pCGs or ANACS do this?

    3. Why do you think it's done?

    Thanks
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  3. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    I only ever recall seeing it on AU or higher coins. But, I guess they put it on there so you know it's BN. :) Maybe it's a quirk with world coins.
     
  4. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    RB and RD can and have happened on PCGS AU coins, generally high AU and very rare.

    As far as that one I think in this case the simplest is the correct one, its just how they wanted to do it.
     
  5. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Thanks for replies. I was looking through world coins tonight on ebay and they even had it for Vf and below! See below. Of course only for copper/bronze coins but still, it seems odd to me.
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  6. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    I didn't know pcgs had even a few like that. Interesting. You're right, it's probably just a choice they went with. Perhaps they didn't think about it too much
     
  7. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I kinda of like they do even if it is obvious, but yea there are some from PCGS below MS in their pop reports that show RB or RD
     
  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Let's say you have a bunch of coins to send in. Lets take the series shown on post #4 3838598..
    It's obvious that they are not RD or RB but Wouldn't you want for the coins to grade BN besides Environmental Damage or AU Details?
    I would want to see BN on all my coins instead of those grades! :wideyed:
     
  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    For example.. I collect error coins. I have sent error coins to NGC. I was hoping for nice grades on ALL of my Error Cents. But I get in return this :facepalm:
    Not RB or BN but Details :yack:
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  10. Goto NGC price
    Goto NGC price guide and look up any lincoln cent. You will notice that all grades G thru MS70 are MSBN, MSRB or MSRD. Also the coins shown in pics are NGC graded.
     
  11. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    I don't follow. I'd rather the coins grade clean, like a Vg 10, or f15. What I am asking is why the Vg 10, f15? Technically they are brown (because there is no other choice, maybe RB for an AU though), so I guess that's part of the reason
     
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  12. A details coin is one that cannot be given a numerical grade such as AU58. A cleaned coin that would normally receive a grade of AU58 would receive "AU Details" instead. Goto NGC site and review their "How To Grade Coins" section and learn all about it.
     
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  13. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    I'm of the opinion that once a coin is circulated past the highest levels of AU, the BN designation is understood. If there is some mint red remaining, a note is typically made in the catalogue as such.
     
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  14. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I meant "why the vg10 BN, or f15bn?"
     
  15. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I agree. So, it seems like NGC is overkilling it with using BN for the coins in circ grades
     
  16. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    That's true but XF is still probably the absolute lowest you could go and have actual mint red remaining and even that would be very rare.
     
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