Silver Eagle Reverse... What is this????

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by DysfunctionalVeteran, Sep 8, 2016.

  1. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Specifics? I can't even remember the birthdate of my kids or how old I am. Memory loss due to brain injuries are a b**ch.
     
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  3. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    I sent a few emails off with photos and boy did I stir the hornets nest. Either way it's going to PCGS soon. Maybe someone local can sit with me next week and help me out. I've never done it before and have a few other coins I'd like to send but only want to send the best.

    I think I'll pedigree it just for fun. Imagine seeing this last name in a pedigree coin "Chrzanowski"
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't know where the text comes from in your screen-shot that say there are 50-100 of these sanding disk things out there. Can you tell me where you got it ?

    Great Collections shows 2 of them -

    http://www.greatcollections.com/Coi...ng-Disc-Retained-Silver-on-Reverse-PCGS-MS-64

    http://www.greatcollections.com/Coi...er-Eagle-Struck-on-3m-Sanding-Disc-PCGS-MS-64

    - and both of them are different. The one you have would make 3 for certain. So if there really are 50-100 of them out there, then it's pretty much a certainty that they are not a "mint error" at all, but rather some sort of novelty item that somebody the ANA show you mentioned was making. And either giving them away of selling them at the show.

    But to believe that a sanding disk would get caught on a die 50 to a 100 different times and then that die be used to strike coins thus creating these things - that goes completely beyond belief.

    It might happen once or twice, but there's no way on God's green earth it would happen 50 to 100 times !
     
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  5. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    https://sullivannumismatics.com/coin/pcgs-1-american-silver-eagle-reverse-struck-3m-emory-disc-ms-64
     
  6. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    With over 300 million bullion silver eagles produced it's not out of the question for 50-100 to have gotten out. I'm guessing they just made an estimate based off of a minuscule percentage they think would have escaped.
     
  7. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Considering prices realized have been $2+k, $5+K, and another listed price is $3K, if I submitted to PCGS and decided to list for sale would one reasonably expect the same results at a similar auction house?
     
  8. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    If they graded it yea probably at least 1k for sale price. The real question is whether or not they have to be in a sealed monster box for them to grade it
     
  9. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    What if a dealer submitted it for me?
     
  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    The right one who could speak to them about it may help but no assurance. There may be a way to tell it was made by the mint vs someone at home when found in the wild like that, but if there isn't I have no idea what their policy will be for how to handle it.
     
  11. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Haha, I can relate, I can't remember the kids birthdays because there is so damn many of them! No head injuries though, sorry to hear it.
     
  12. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    I sent photos to someone who owns one. He said it looks just like his down to the shiny specks of silver dust/flake that remain on the paper. I'm leaning towards the side that it's real.

    It came from an ANA show. How it got there is the mystery that may never be solved. We'll see what PCGS says when they get it because I'm sure they will want to know where and how I got it.
     
  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Even if they don't grade it it doesn't necessarily mean it isn't real. This is one time I wouldn't put much weight into it being fake if they don't they just may not be comfortable enough putting their name on it not being able to prove it was directly from the mint.

    Will be interesting to see what happens but I would definitely give it a shot. If you have a sales record of it or anything you might want to include a note with it about where you got it and who it came from ect
     
  14. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Hey, get over to Long Beach and talk to whichever is there...best way.
     
  15. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Probably made deliberately in quantity by a mint employee. Would go through the exit metal detector without setting it off. Should they be graded as coins or currency? :greedy:

    Cal
     
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  16. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    When is LB?
     
  17. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Right now I believe. Think it goes till sunday
     
  18. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Can't, military still hasn't medically retired me yet. You'd think after asking someone to shoot you in the face for the fun of it they'd hurry up, but no, taking their sweet time.:mask:
     
  19. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Next one isn't until February I believe.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You can make those in your living room, or at a coin show, using a vise, an ASE, and a sanding disk.
     
  21. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    I'm certain there are other unique aspects to the discs the mint uses vs the discs you buy at Home Depot or lowes. There's got to some something proprietary to distinguish backyard made items from those made at the mint. If there wasn't the market would have been flooded by now and there would have been numerous stories of copycats sent to PCGS, but there haven't been, or at least I haven't heard or any. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in the subject can chime in.
     
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