anyone want to weigh in on a baber quarter?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by mikenoodle, Jul 5, 2007.

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Can a coin with incomplete rims grade better than About Good?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    20 vote(s)
    30.8%
  1. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    here's a Barber Quarter I once won on eBay (several years ago). well, here's the reverse at least. My first try at taking pics of my coins! Anyone wanna take a stab at trying to tell me why it could ever grade anything more than AG-3 due to incomplete rims? I like this coin and am not interested in selling it, so I am not fishing for anything here. I am simply convinced that a coin will be graded by it's worst side, and this side grades AG in my book.

    thanks in advance for the opinions,

    Mike Noodle

    P.S. I have included a poll, so we can see what we all think... Can a coin with incomplete rims grade better than About Good?
     

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  3. fastfun1111

    fastfun1111 Senior Member

    I believe with the relaxed grading (as compared to 20 years ago) the coin could get a grade of Good if this is the worst side. On Ebay it would be at least a Fine (LOL) just said it before someone else does. I am a seller and buyer on Ebay and I think you can get some nice buys at times.
     
  4. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    If you have a full good or better obverse I could see G4 by today's standards.
    The ANA guide states rim as "worn but complete". Your's is a tad shy of their picture but seems a bit stronger than an AG.
    I've seen a ton of Barber quarters like that including many of the same date that I own and yes on ebay that would be a full good if not VG unfortunately.

    Why? that 14-S is on my list of sleepers with the low mintage. I own a dozen of them myself.
     
  5. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I see plenty of barber coinage all denoms that can get a g or vg despite not having complete rims.
     
  6. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    clembo:

    seems you and I have quite a bit in common as our minds seem to be in tune on this one, I bought it about 2 years ago on eBay, It was offered with a 1900 Philly in SOLID good for less than $25 for the pair.
     
  7. asciibaron

    asciibaron /dev/work/null

    i laughed and said to myself "on eBay it would be Fine" glad i'm not the only one to think that...

    looks G4 too my untrained eyes.

    -steve
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Actually, since I collect many Barber quarters, I would grade it an AG-3.
    The grading books state that the reverse rim any be worn into a few letters.
    In this instance, there is far too much wear into too many letters to qualify as a good.
    I have one an 1896 S, Quarter, that is worn into two or three reverse letters and NGC recently (within two years) AG'd it.
    I believe that it is a G-4, not choice, but still a good-4.
     
  9. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    How's the obverse look on your 96-S?
    That's why I commented as I did. I've seen a few with G6 obverse and AG3 reverse.

    Being a key date you'd think they might give you the G4 on your 96-S. Of course if you continuously reslab it you'll get it eventually.
     
  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    clembo:
    The obverse is a full rim, clear (old time) G-4.
    In my mind it would need at lease 1 or 2 letters in Liberty to make a G-6.
    I hate full rims with no letters that sellers call a G-6-- they aren't.
    At best they become a G4 (choice).
     
  11. kiwi01

    kiwi01 Senior Member

    It would have to be close to good if the obverse is much better
     
  12. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    I agree there has to be at least 1 or 2 letters of LIBERTY visible to make G6. A full rim without it is just a SOLID G4.
     
  13. gopher29

    gopher29 Coin Hoarder

    I'd have to give it a grade AG-3. That coin doesn't have an incomplete rim it has virtually NO RIM remaining.
     
  14. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    I'd have to give it an AG3 also because the rim is worn into the letters.
    According to ANA Grading Standards
    Reverse: Entire design is partially worn away and legend merges with rim.
     
  15. mrh757

    mrh757 Senior Member

    ag-3 I grade the quarters just like the half's, and all coins per ana standards!!! sgs might call that a ms-63!!!
     
  16. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    generically speaking

    Grading by the worst side can be somewhat misleading. I can think of many early Lincolns that are weakly struck reverses and still grade real nice. A notorious example would be the 22-d and 24-d. I have seen some look vf= obverse and ag/g reverse.
     
  17. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    oh yeah

    I forgot, yeah, I have to go AG on the coin pictured also.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    According to the ANA standards a Barber quarter can grade no better than G 4 if it has incomplete rims. So the answer to your question is yes.
     
  19. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    however, yes that coin is an ag-3
     
  20. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    I think it's AG going from my trusty Photograde.
     
  21. Dumanyu

    Dumanyu World Coin Collector

    Mike,
    To me, and my untrained eye, the overall coin grades about G-4, but not just due to the rim wear. If it had better detail, but an incomplete rim due to edge wear in just one area (as opposed to overall), I'd grade it higher.
    But that's me:goofer:
     
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