Braided Hair Large Cents

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  1. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    Thinking about getting one in AU since that's about what my budget can get me. Which one of the two below do you guys think is better for the money?

    Also, what is the "N" number mean?

    1847 Braided Hair Large Cent
    1852 Braided Hair Large Cent
     
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  3. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    1852 - I like the color of it better than the first one!
     
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  4. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    I like the 1847 better. Fewer spots.
     
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  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Hard choice, the 1852 is much more detailed and in the "better regarded" slab. However, the 1847 WAS my choice as it came from a famous collection and is an AU with an interesting date.

    Then I saw the bad scratch and spot removal. I say neither one; but if forced to pick one, the 1852 in spite of the slight corrosion.

    N# are the coin's attribution. You may look each up to see which coin variety is the more rare.
     
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  6. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    I would say neither as well based on the corrosion and I think the grade is a bit optimistic on the 1847. Keep looking, there are many AU Large Cents out there to choose from.
     
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  7. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    I agree with Insider. I like the 1847 for the better date, but the 1852 looks nicer, at least, in the images.
     
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  8. Copper56

    Copper56 Active Member

    Keep looking! An AU58 (which neither of these are) should NOT have spots! IMO
     
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  9. Copper56

    Copper56 Active Member

    Just did a quick eBay search and found several at these price points that are better choices. And, for only the price of a good steak, you can do even better.
    Just an observation... there are far too many priced way outta line.
     
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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    "N" is for Howard Newcomb, who delineated the varieties of the later (1816-1857) Large Cents.

    OK, this is interesting. Both are repunched dates - the 1842 is N-14 - but neither are particularly rare for the variety. The 1852 is about at market, perhaps a few bucks high; the 1847 acknowledges the obverse and actual grade (trust this seller's grading, he knows what he's talking about with copper) yet is still a bit high. Were it actually AU58, it'd be an excellent price despite the carbon.
     
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  11. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    You don't have to pay that much for a low to mid AU braided hair large cent. (Unless you have to have a 55 or 58). If you buy them raw on eBay, you can sometimes win them for 50 bucks or less.
     
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  12. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Who the heck cares if it came from a "sole called" famous collection? Isn't the end game getting the nicest coin for your money? 10 years from now if you want to sell that coin nobody will even care or know who Jules Reiver is - Jules Verne maybe!!! It's not like buying a car that belonged to Steve McQeen!!
     
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  13. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    I'll +1 this statement. Kevin is good people.
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Yes, in fact, it is.
     
  15. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Steve McQueen > Jules Reiver
     
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  16. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    Just gonna through it out there, but Reiver wrote the book on late date large cents with Grellman, and it's his date position reference numbers that are still used. You may not know or care who he is, but late date collectors do and will.

    Now, I personally like having provenance on coins I purchase, be they famous or not, so it would add value to me, although Reiver had quite a large collection so getting one of his coins is pretty easy. Lastly, on the grading of that coin it is badly over-graded. This sale in particular was one of the worst examples of NGC over-grading an entire collection.
     
  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

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  18. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Well it don't seem to add that much as the Jules Verne coin is 175 and the 2nd is 190!
     
  19. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    That's because the second is the much nicer coin! Most collectors don't even know what "provenance" is or who collectors such as Bass, Pitman, Newman, Ford, or Reiver are.
     
  20. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I can't afford to collect cars. :p
     
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  21. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Is this the dude you are talking about??? He seems like a "shyster"!
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