There was a 1964 Morgan...

My thing is how did this escape detection of the coin collecting community for so long. Look at the '64 peace dollars and all the publicity over them.

Did the Mint just look in their warehouse and be like, Oh look what we have?

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Probably. The Mint makes pattern/trial coins all the time and they have historically randomly turned up years or decades later.

 

TOP men.

 

Until somebody comes up with something corroborating, it's clickbait to me.

 

I agree.

Let's just say that I am *HIGHLY* skeptical, until significant evidence is shown. I realize that the book is supposedly written by Bowers, and I realize that Weinberg is alluding to hidden knowledge on the PCGS forums. However, the extent of what we know so far is that there is a (suspicious) image shown on a supposed cover of a book, and a teaser in a press statement describing the book is hyping it up. There is precisely *zero* evidence, explanation, or justification of this alleged coin. Until there is documentation, I'll stand firmly in the *fake until proven real* camp.

 

Why doesn't the Mint just say, "Yeah, we minted some patterns years ago" or "we did not."

Perhaps they don't want to admit their security precautions leave something to be desired....

 

Yeah but I'm still having a Morgasm right now though

Seems to have legs though with Fred Weinburg assuring us it exists and is currently being scrutinized etc

 

I've considered doing a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar. But never a "1964".

The "1964" date in the photo looks Chinese-ish.
It was stated that the photo might not be of the actual coin in question.
I will want to see much better pictures and documentation on the trail of custody before I come to any conclusions.

 

If the 1964 Peace was so highly publicized, why not the Morgan? I honestly think it highly unlikely that they would mint a obsolete coin design 42 years later. It would be like reminting the Buffalo nickel just...because... There would be no reason whatsoever to remint an old design, especially in 1964. Today you see the reminted gold Mercury or Standing Liberty and ASE design, but 1964 Morgan? Highly unlikely.

 

I wonder if they will show the "capped die" morgans and give a better explanation on why they are named like that?

 

Jmho but Im thinking it may have been a pattern made before the peace dollars were struck to decide against the two. They went with the peace and the rest is history. Very curious what the surfaces look like and its state of preservation.

 

The Alibaba Mint just found a hoard of them in their old turn-of-the-century warehouses. Everyone was just looking in the wrong place.

 

Apparently it was hiding somewhere in the mint archives or something. They're saying nobody at the mint even knew of its existance but that its been in their custody since 1964. Very interesting how all this will play out. How was it found and is There supporting documentation of making the dies and striking at least 1?

 

in this thread from 2012 one poster mentions a 1964 morgan for sale near the bottom ==> http://www.pcgs.com/News/1964-d-Peace-Dollars-Readers-Responses

 

The Morgan brought back memories of a crony bail-out which caused them to get really, really indignant for five minutes before switching to the Peace dollar.

 

I would like one of these 64,s to display next to my 63.

 

On my way home from the Anaheim ANA show, I got a call from John Dannreuther. He had told me a few months earlier that he had a real Morgan dollar bombshell, and apparently the 64 Morgan was it. During our discussion, he described a visit to the mint and they had discovered that they had prepared 1964 Morgan dollar dies which were planned on being used in Philadelphia, while the 1964 Peace dollar dies were sent to Denver. Based on our conversation, the 1964 Morgan dollars were never struck, even though the dies had been prepared. I then asked him about the design, and if it was as shoddy as the 1921 Morgan. He said that it was much closer to the 1879-1904 design than to that of the 1921. I then wondered both designs were revived to prepare to satisfy demand for both types of coins that were being released from Treasury bags in 1963, or if the Morgan dollar would be a proof set issue, but there's no real answer to those questions, only conjecture.

 

OK, now I'm closer to believing.

 

I know when they were planning the 1964 dollar the original idea was to use the Morgan design (This is covered in Roger Burdette's peace dollar book).. Now Dannreuther is saying the actually made dies but that they never struck any coins. (The image on the book cover is NOT the image of a die.) I find it hard to believe they would keep the die around this long when it was clear they were never going to use it. A hub I might believe, but a die? And John says they never used the die, but comments from some of the others seem to imply they saw a coin. Things aren't adding up yet.

 

More info has just been made public on Coin World's site.

Galvanos for the obverse and reverse are shown. The picture on the front of the new book is not a rendering, but a picture of the tooling of the obverse.