Toning coins with cardboard

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Omegaraptor, Aug 21, 2016.

  1. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    So 3 or 4 years ago, I put this 2012-D cent in a flip and threw it into the bottom of a cardboard box.
    It was bright orange and untoned when I had put it in. Now, the coin looks like this:

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    The pics don't do the toning justice. The coin is an attractive red in the center, and it turns silvery near the rim. I find this toning attractive.

    Do you think there is any way to speed this toning process up?
     
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  3. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    You already did. It's copper. Copper reacts with sulfur. The cardboard likely is non-archival, so it gasses off some sulfuric acid and other stuff. That accelerates the sulfuridation/oxidation processes. Mind you, speeding up the process also turns the coin brown/boring faster...
     
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  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Speed up the process? Do you mean, "How can I AT this coin?"

    Chris
     
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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Google a Kenner "Easy Bake Oven" if you find one that has the original brownie mix send that to me.:smuggrin:
     
  6. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    I have a 4 coin hole cardboard thing in a plastic clamshell case with 1960 p&d both small and large date Lincoln's in them that look very similar
     
  7. Marine1

    Marine1 Active Member

    As a collector of only rusted (toned) :happy: coins I after many Moons have discovered its not unusual for copper Lincolns even 2013s to tone exactly like your pixes (nice toning). I have 50 -60 rolls in my wine cellar being naturally(sic) toned.
    The cardboard was bleached as most cardboard is leaving trace amounts of hydrogen Sulphide and Sulpher Dioxide in the cardboard and they are the culprits.
    If you really like toners read up as much as you can as it is a seperate, distinct and under appreciated area of numismatics, at least thats my opinion.
    Enjoy
    M1
     
  8. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Omega, my young collector. You have the potential to be a really good at this. Don't sully it by ATing coins.We have enough jerks out there doing that already.
     
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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah there is, that and a whole lot more can be done in a few hours.

    Am I going to tell you how ? No.
     
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  10. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Some of the AT I've seen I've swear they've torched it or something.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah, but then a whole lot of the NT you've seen - it really wasn't NT at all, it was AT :)
     
  12. Marine1

    Marine1 Active Member

    GDJMSP,
    Have you seen any of the spectrograph plots that PCGS "sniffer" displays ?? If so please tell me where I can get the pixes.
    I am curious because according to my small spectrometer there is very little difference between an AT or NT toned silver coin, example tested is 1964 Washington 25c. DCAM 67.
    Thanks,
    M1
     
  13. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Does yours look something like this? Some shots with the clam-shell closed and open. Sorry, the lighting stinks but there's some toning going on.

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  14. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

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  15. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    So, ... you have a wine cellar, then? Gee, around here on CT, we usually spell that "whine seller", you know? :D:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  16. Marine1

    Marine1 Active Member

    Not quite sure what you mean but I spend a lot of time in the cellar watching my coins tone and sipping to boot, what a great hobby this is.!!!
     
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  17. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Maybe you don't want to overdo it.
    This is what happens when a silver coin is left with a piece of acidic newspaper pressed right up against it for 30 years.

    Too bad, as it probably would have been a cameo.
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  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I only mean our hobby has easily more "whine aficionados" than "wine aficionados", especially when one walks around an ANA show bourse asking random dealers, "So, how has the show been so far?" Then there's the guy who collects high end gold who whines about the parking rates. Really, that's your biggest concern?
     
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  19. Marine1

    Marine1 Active Member

    If you notice the coins are toning differently which is normal, light yellow brown is stage 1, by the way how are the coins stored ??
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No I have not seen one of their print outs.

    But contrary to what a lot of people seem the think, the sniffers, (and NGC has one too), are not used to detect artificial toning. The only thing that the sniffers can do is detect foreign substances that are on a coin.

    Also, from a scientific standpoint there is absolutely no difference between AT and NT. This is because toning occurs within the metal itself, not because some foreign substance is put onto the coin. In other words, toning is "in" the coin, not "on" the coin.

    The one and only difference there is between AT and NT is intent.
     
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  21. Marine1

    Marine1 Active Member

    Thanks for clearing that up which reminds me about a former C.O (3 star) with all the cash in the world who complained about the price of gold coins and really believed it was a conspiracy by the Fed to manipulate the price of gold in 1957.
    This guy was very intelligent but he could not be convinced of the difference between intrinsic and numismatic.
    People are just plain weird in my opinion.
    By the way I grew up in Cleveland and married a girl from Latrobe.
    Best beer in the East "Rock n Roll".
    And I only WINE :dead:
     
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