Show your Rostrum tridens

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  1. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Reference.
    RIC 623a; C. 1171; Strack

    Obv. IMP CAESAR TRAIAN HADRIANVS AVG
    Laureate bust right, drapery on left shoulder.

    Rev P M TR P COS III in exergue SC.
    Rostrum tridens right

    2.46 gr
    17 mm
    680Hadrian RIC623.JPG
     
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  3. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Here's an example of the rare prow issue of 211-208 BC, Crawford 62/1; easily confused with the slightly later and much more common issue with the same general types, Crawford 114/1.

    Phil (14).JPG
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Amazing how prior to the 1st Punic War, there were no concepts or notions of ships, prows, or a Navy in Rome. Suddenly, faced with the mortality of Carthage's Navy, Rome learned FAST and prominently placed the symbols everywhere: Rostrum in the Forum, on coins, etc.

    I am AMAZED the Corvus (or Harpago) was not prominently symbolized. It was THAT innovation that won their sea battles by making their fledgling Navy a super-weapon.
     
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  5. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    323 Greek Syd 143.jpg REPUBLIC, ANONYMOUS SEMIS. POST 211 BC. Saturn
     
  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    M Cipius MF.jpg
    Is mine a prow or a rudder? I've always been confused by the symbol since I acquired the coin. The tag said it was a rudder, but it doesn't look like any rudder I've ever seen, and it doesn't look like a prow either. Is it even a nautical theme? Help! Any guess?
     
  7. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    rr013.jpg
    217 BC
    AE Uncia
    Obvs: Helmeted Roma left.
    Revs: Prow right, ROMA above. Pellet below.
    25x26mm, 12.71g
     
  8. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    That's a rudder. Don't feel bad; even when I know something's a prow, I sometimes mix up which way it's facing!
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    RUDDERS:
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    @Sallent , my Cipius and Sear 166 calls it a RUDDER below on reverse.
     
  11. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    My rudder, Tiberius AE as. Rome, 36-37 AD. Globe and rudder, RIC 64, 28mm, 10.7g. C3f75Saks4NAQxT62MywJ9Jz3Emgf8.jpg
     
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  12. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    And I just remembered I have a small prow on a Nerva coin. AE Dupondius. Rome AD 96. Clasped hands holding standard above prow. RIC 55. 20160818_082927.jpg
     
  13. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Another nice prow, on the reverse of a denarius of Pompeius Magnus:

    Phil (96).JPG

    and a small one on the reverse of a denarius of his son Sextus Pompey:

    Phil (161).JPG
     
  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Should we mention that the Romans did not have a monopoly on the type? These are a tetradrachm and AE13 of Demetrius Poliorketes (died 283BC).
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    Arados, Phoenicia AE17 year 115 (145BC) shows particularly menacing triple ram.
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  15. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

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    CALABRIA, Tarentum
    AR Nomos. 7.75g, 22.3mm. CALABRIA, Tarentum, circa 290-281 BC. Fischer-Bossert Group 80, 1131 (V417/R873); Vlasto –; HN Italy 934. O: Warrior, holding shield and two spears, preparing to cast a third, on horseback right; ΣA below. R: TAPAΣ, Phalanthos, holding distaff, riding dolphin left; pellet to left; below, prow left.
     
  17. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coin zumbly, unbelievable detail.
     
  18. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Thanks! It's one of my favorite pick ups this year. I was blown away by the detail, and finding one where the dolphin's snout wasn't missing and the rider's head wasn't flatly struck wasn't easy either!
     
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  19. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I had to look up "rostrum tridens". In case others were similarly uninformed, it is a structure sticking out from a war ship's bow, at the waterline, has three protrusions, and its function was for ramming and damaging enemy ships.

    RostrumTridens1.jpg RostrumTridens3.jpg

    I'm puzzled by the appearance of the rams on many of the coins shown. How could the rams work if they don't protrude significantly farther than other bow structures? I guess the renderings are adjusted to fit on a coin rather than reflective of reality.

    Doug's Arados bronze was even more puzzling at first. Which end is the front? Which end is the back? Isn't the large curved structure on the right the part that sticks out of the front of the ship? (nope, not in this illustration)

    RostrumTridens2.jpg

    Doug's coin shows a ship's battering ram without the ship to which it would be attached. The left part is what would stick out, and the right side is its point of attachment to the ship.

    Below is an actual Carthaginian naval ram from the time of the first Punic War. It helps explain the device shown on Doug's coin. The right side is the free side; the left is its point of attachment to the ship.

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    image from Wikipedia

    Maybe all of this was obvious to the rest of you. If so... carry on, nothing to see here :D
     
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  20. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Thanks TIF very informative and thought provoking.
     
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  21. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Interesting prows!

    These show up a few times on Flavian denarii too.

    V19.JPG

    Vespasian

    AR Denarius, 3.17g
    Rome mint, 69-70 AD
    RIC 19 (C), BMC 7, RSC 84.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, lauerate, r.
    Rev: COS ITER FORT RED; Fortuna, draped, standing l.,setting r. hand on prow and holding cornucopiae in l. hand

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    Vespasian

    AR Denarius, 3.39g
    Rome Mint, 77-78 AD
    RIC 941 (C), BMC 210, RSC 136
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: COS VIII; Prow r. : above, star of eight rays

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    Titus as Caesar
    AR Denarius
    Rome Mint, 77-78 AD
    RIC V950 (R), BMC V226, RSC 68
    Obv: T CAESAR IMP VESPASIANVS; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: COS VI; Prow r.; above eight pointed star

    For a Domitian example a little cheating is required - Minerva is standing on a rostral column decorated with prows. Here is an early example of the type.

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    Domitian

    AR Denarius, 2.90g
    Rome mint, 84 AD
    RIC 183 (R3), BMC - , RSC -
    Obv: IMP CAES DOMITIANVS AVG GERMANIC; Bust of Domitian, laureate, draped, bearded, l.
    Rev: P M TR POT III IMP V COS X P P; Minerva stg. r. on capital of rostral column, with spear and shield; to r., owl (M2)
     
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