I give up collecting

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Cyrrhus, Aug 11, 2016.

  1. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    Dear All,

    I am just watching this auction, mostly they have 100 lots, now more my eyes can see and brain can handle and as discussed the estimation are a joke, 10 times more is no exception.
    All these beauties flying by...than I think should not watch this and find another hobby:)).

    https://www.kuenker.de/en/auktionen/stuecke/280-284?filter=katalog&katalog_nummer=280

    Gordian I, not one no 4..too much gold, too much beauties, too much money, no change.
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I agree fully. Anyone who defines their collection by what it does not include will never find happiness in the hobby. The Big Dogs play rough. On the other hand, I was impressed by what I saw as some thought put into coin selection. She only had three Pescennius Niger coins including a very ordinary denarius, a very nice Provincial and a rather beat up Indian copy of an aureus. Medium dog stuff...Still the kind of material for people who own Mercedes the company not just a five year old C class (or, in my case, a Honda).

    Not long ago someone posted a photo of coin cabinets in the museum in Berlin. Their containers are better than mine but I can't handle their coins and I can mine so mine are better. Whatever you do, don't visit the British Museum. Might be depressing, if you let it be. :pompous:
     
  4. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Wow. The estimations are indeed outrageously low.
     
  5. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Don't auction houses do this all the time, so they can later tout "aggregate hammer prices were €3,000,000 against presale estimates of €500,000"? It makes them look like heroes to consignors and prospective consignors. Also limits the amount of presale advances to consignors, if they play that game.

    Just as bad, maybe worse, are high estimates which effectively create a safe reserve that the market might not otherwise support.
     
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  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Better get used to the fact that there are far more ancient coins than we will ever be able to own. Even if you had all the money in the world and could buy whatever you wanted, you wouldn't have the lifespan necessary to buy, catalog, and display all of the vast variety of ancient coinage in existence. You'd be long dead before you finished that project.
     
  7. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    I still need to go to the Britsh museum....for the Assyrian lion hunt !!
     
  8. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    this one is really fantastic..
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  9. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    In a way thats what drives the hobby. Looking for things you don't have, sure there are always things you either can't afford or find but thats a part of any hobby.
     
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  10. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    you wont give up this hobby....
    you are hooked!!
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Is this the Etrurian 10 Asses?

    Pardon me. I found it in the auction. I have one of these, yet with a broken die. Agreed. This is a wonderful piece.
     
  12. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    Just wait until you see what's coming up in October. I've viewed NAC and Nomos during a recent trip to London and Zurich. It's going to be an expensive week...
     
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  13. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    Indeed I should never give up, it is nice there is so much nice ancient art.
    this one, can I pay now with commission...pufff

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    Lot number 749
    Antoninus IV. Elagabal, 218-222. Æs, Olbasa (Pisidia); 30.28 g. SNG v. Aulock 5126 (dies Exemplar); v. Aulock, Kleinasiatische Münzstätten VIII, 21, Tf. 2, 21 (dies Exemplar). Von größter Seltenheit. Wohl Unikum. Braune Patina, leichter Kratzer auf dem Revers, gutes sehr schön
    Estimated price: 500.00 €
     
  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I hope you win it, but my experience has been that Kuenker's estimates are very low and the bidding very aggressive. Better plan for 2-3x (or more) estimate.
     
  15. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Yes, the estimates are a marketing ploy to encourage bidding and consignments. I dont really have a problem with it. There are some extraordinary coins in the auction, and if one is on a budget I would pick one coin to go after and bid up to your maximum. I cant imagine anyone would regret purchasing any of these coins.
     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Is this considered the last coin of an aging Elagabalus or a first issue when the mint did not know he was younger than Caracalla?
     
  17. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    I was able to snag a copy of the NAC catalog for October's The Gasvoda Collection Part II yesterday at the ANA in Anaheim, and there are some wonderful coins coming up. Also previewed two coins in CNG/Triton's January 2017 auction (thanks to Victor England) that are quite attractive.

    It will be an interesting auction season through the end of January.
     
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  18. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    There are soooooooo many nice coins on sixbid site, I collect all AV coinage from all periods in history/plus now Roman AR coins/ also US/Canada obsolete banknotes, never enough $$$$$$. With every passing year, I add many beauties to my collection, thus it becomes a "good" addiction! I probably worked 100+ days straight now, but my wife allows me to use $ earned on Friday/Sat/Sun. for numismatic treasures....then enjoy looking at them during Winter months, when I am "umemployed", along with snowmobiling/walking Rottweiler/hiking/ice fishing/
    looking and bidding on sixbid sites:):):):):):):):):):)
    Also use $ from selling my rare butterfly/moth collection, hopefully for getting some really neat high grade Roman Aurei. This is for sure the, "Best hobby ever!"
    John
     
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  19. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Out of curiosity, where does one sell such a collection? Heritage?
     
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  20. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I just placed ad on "insectnet.com" classfieds, indicating that I was selling my collection. After that I had many inquiries! Mostly collectors comes for a visit, see what I have and bring lots of cash. Some butterfly/moth/beetle collections are valued at over 10 million$, one Japanese collector recently paid $125,000US for one rare butterfly....papilio elephenor. There is one famous Paris Auction that handles entire collections, they handle mounted mammals/birds/insects....even seen full mounts of Bengal Tigers/Harpy Eagles....
     
  21. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    10 milj, Panzermann, than you can buy all the gold coins on your list !!
     
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