Need Help Identifying Phrygia, Peltae - Caracalla

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  1. -monolith-

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    Has anyone seen this coin. Apparently it's unpublished in standard references and not listed in RPC Online or ACSEARCH. It's a provincial Phrygia, Peltae - Caracalla.

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    Here is the information I have:
    Phrygia, Peltae - Caracalla
    T. Mar. Tat. Arionos, strategos (?)
    OBV: AYT K M AY (AN)T(Ω)NEI, Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REV: ΠEΛT(H)NΩN MACTP MHTPOBIOY, Tyche standing left, holding rudder on globe and cornucopia
    SIZE: 22 mm
    WEIGHT: 5.9 g

    I'm looking for other specimens or reference material if you know of any. FYI, the one listed in acsearch from N&N London is this coin.
     
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  3. ambr0zie

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  4. -monolith-

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  5. ambr0zie

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    I mentioned different magistrate.
     
  6. ambr0zie

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    The coin might be unlisted - I checked in SNG Copenhagen and the only magistrate is the one in the example I found
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    BMC Phrygia
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  7. -monolith-

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    Thanks for the attachments. That's what I found as well nothing specifically. I guess I will try submitting to RPC Online as a new specimen and see what they say.
     
  8. Curtis

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    I'm away from my books right now to check elsewhere, but the main reason it's not in RPC is because Volume V, Pertinax to Macrinus (AD 193–218), hasn't been released yet (online or in print).

    So it's possible the editors do have this type included, we'll just have to wait a bit longer.

    (I think this will be in V.2, Pontus-Bithynia and Asia; V.3 is Lycia-Pamphylia to Egypt.)
     
  9. -monolith-

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    I couldn't find it in any other, standard, sources either. I also searched thru several museum databases and couldn't find any specimen's. It seems like someone would have sold another specimen somewhere. I submitted it to RPC Online with the hope that they will assign it to their existing, yet unreleased, database and let me know.
     
  10. Curtis

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    The rare part is the reverse legend ending "ΜΗΤΡΟΒΙΟΥ," as I understand. (Especially w laureate bust of Caracalla.)

    Two likely specimens, one recent, one very old:

    On MA-Shops right now (cited as SNG Cop 642 Var., which is the radiate bust w this rev. Same dealer's listing on VCoins & for auction on Delcampe??)

    It was also in Tom Vossen's inventory previously.

    There's another one listed in ISEGRIM that looks like a very close fit, same the magist./Strategos (named Metrobios as on yours), albeit with a slightly longer legend (I don't know of there could've been two duovirs or if that's just the fuller name of the same person, but worth checking): ΠΕΛΤΗΝΩΝ ΜΑ ΑΡΧΟΝΤΟΣ ΜΗΤΡΟΒΙΟΥ

    It was in the Imhoof-Blumer collection. ISEGRIM gives these two references:

    IMHOOF KM S284,10(1)
    [1901/1902, KLEINASIATISCHE MUENZEN VOL 1, 2]

    COLL IMHOOF(1)
    [WINTERTHUR]

    http://isegrim.dasr.de/isegrim_neu/test2014.php

    That coin should be in the Munzkabinett Winterthur now. I don't think Winterthur's coin collection is online, but itwas published in 4 vols. by H. Bloesch, 1987-1997. There are also much older publications of Imhoof-Blumer's collection illustrated by Leon Dardel's engravings. (I have the older at home, quite beautiful.) Not sure if the coin will be illustrated in either.

    Note: I think your coin should probably be cataloged as naming Metrobios for the magistrate/strategos (not the more common one, T. Mar. Tat. Arionos, strategos). Metrobios is also named on specimens w/ Caracalla wearing radiate crown, and for Geta, et al.
     
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  11. -monolith-

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    Thanks very much for the research. I did find the Imhoof-Blumer coin but ignored it as it wasn't a complete match for the reverse. However the Tom Vossen / MA-Shop coin is a precise match (different dies). So at least I know there's another one out there. I searched MA's shop earlier but didn't see it; perhaps because I was searching under Peltae and not Peltai. I also saw the SNG Cop 642 reference and assumed it was a possible type variable as my coin was listed as "bare-head" instead of "laureate" yet the portrait clearly is laureate. Provincial coins can be such a pain to attribute some times. At least this will give me enough information to catalogue and label.
     
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  12. -monolith-

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    Thanks very much for the help.
     
  13. ambr0zie

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    You're welcome, glad this was clarified.
     
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