1827 Bust Half Overton Help

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Mark Metzger, Dec 29, 2023.

  1. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    Just purchased this awesome bust half from a fellow forum member. He had identified it as Overton 139 but I’m not totally sure. It has similar characteristics to 139…die clash under UNUM and at wing but the T/I alignment doesn’t match up with the example at the link below.
    http://maibockaddict.com/1827-o-139-r4-capped-bust-half-dollar
    I thought it might be O-125 as well but I’m not sure. Any expert help would be appreciated.
    Regardless, it’s a beauty and much nicer than similar AU55 examples from past heritage auctions.
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  3. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    It is a late die state of Overton 130.
     
  4. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    The T/I alignment on o130 has the I way farther to the right than on my coin.
     
  5. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coin, love the prominent clash. Sorry I don't have the patience (or eyes) to check the Overton ID. Enjoy!
     
  6. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    Ahh, now that I look closer at the details I see.

    The cracks on the reverse of O-130 look remarkably similar to your coin, but there are some small differences. The hunt continues!

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  7. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    I did a little bit more looking. Its O-129.
    Here is an example of O-129 with the die break forming below E Pluribus Unum.
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  8. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    I think you nailed it!
    There is a lump to the right of stripe one and an extra line to the left of stripe four that ID it for sure. On the obverse, left stars are weak, right stars are sharp. r4- rarity which is pretty nice. I think it compares favorably with AU58 examples but I’m biased. Its luster is what you would expect from a MS coin.
     
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  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You are correct. O-129. That is NOT a die break under "US." The die chips in the shield is one "marker." Also note the tiny lump in the "L" of "Pluribus." A good way to check Overton attributions is to look on the Heritage Auction Site for verification as you can blow up their images and see all kinds of diagnostic "markers."
     
  10. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    Here’s a fun experiment…below are four graded examples of this particular coin. Mine is the bottom right. Take a stab at the grades of the other three. Photos are from PCGS site and not mine.
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  11. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Much nicer than my 129...wanna trade?;)

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  12. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Yes you are biased :) it‘s certainly a nice coin, but closer to low AU in my opinion.
     
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