I bought a lot of horses

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    I normally pass on Greek coin lots, but this one struck my fancy with the horses. There are 3 Numidian Micipa / horse coins, 4 Punic Tanit / horse coins and one Greek with Zeus / trident coin.
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    The middle coin on the left, also below, has the Phoenician letters M and K below the horse (Sear 6596). The other two are Sear 6597.
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    From left to right and bottom to top -
    13.46 grams 25.5 mm
    14.62 grams 25.2 mm
    5.40 grams 20.7 mm
    8.58 grams 21.0 mm
    12.06 grams 24.6 mm
    4.81 grams 18.1 mm
    5.55 grams 18.3 mm
    4.91 grams 18.0 mm
    A quick glance of my books did not find one like the bottom right coin with a knife symbol. Anyone have a guess?
    Is there a good way to tell Carthage coins from those issued in Sicily and Spain?
    Post your ponies.
    I am a bit undecided if the coin on the middle left has counter marks or just corrosion spots. I could not tell from the seller's pics and I can not tell with the coin in hand. I think they are corrosion sopts.
     
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  3. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    and they probably all circulated together, what do you think? As for cleaning I would leave it be.
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have some of those coins:
    Numidia - Micipsi - 148-118 BCE Obv-Rev.JPG
    Numidia - Micipsi - 148-118 BCE

    Numidia - Massinissa Obv-Rev.JPG
    Numidia - Massinissa

    Sicily Syracuse 275-215 BC AE 19 Hieron II Poseidon-Trident - same as overstrike O-R.jpg
    Sicily Syracuse 275-215 BC AE 19 Hieron II Poseidon-Trident

    Syracuse Hieron II 275-215 BCE AE20 Poseidon Trident Dolphin Obv-Rev.JPG
    Syracuse Hieron II 275-215 BCE AE20 Poseidon Trident Dolphin
     
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Carthage Bronze Horses:
    Carthage Late 4th C BC Tanit Horse Palm Hendin O-R.jpg
    Carthage Siculo AE 15 Palm Tree Pegasus O-R.jpg Pegasos
    Carthage 3rd C BC AE 20 Sardinia Mint Tanit-Kore Horse Hd Pellet O-R.jpg
    Carthage Zeugitana Tanit Horse Hd Punic Letter M S 6525 O-R.jpg
    Carthage Zeugitana 400-350 BC AE 15 Tanit Horse std Palm 3 pellets Clipped O-R.jpg
    Carthage Zeugitana 250-200 BC AE 20 Tanit Horse Head O-R.jpg
    Carthage Zeugitana 250-200 BC 2nd Punic AE 18 Tanit Horse Hd O-R.jpg
    Carthage Hannibal Italy 215-205 BC 2nd Punic AE 19 Bruttium Tanit Horse Hd RARE O-R.jpg
    Carthage Zeugitana 400-350 BC AE 15 6-1g Tanit Horse Galloping O-R.jpg Carthage Zeugitana 4th-3rd C BC AE 15 Male Hd Horse Prancing SNG Cop 120 O-R.jpg
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    A few more...
    Carthage Zeugitana 400-350 BC AE 13 2-3g Tanit Horse std Palm O-R.jpg
    Carthage Zeugitana 400-350 BC AE 15 1-8g Tanit Horse std Palm 3 pellets O-R.jpg
    Carthage Siculo AE 17 6-7g Late 4- Early 3 C BC Tanit Horse Prancing O-R.jpg
    Carthage Zeugitana 4th-3rd C BCE Male Head Horse Obv-Rev.JPG
    Carthage Siculo-Punic AE 17 Late 4th-Early 3rd C BCE Tanit Horse Prancing SNG COP 95 Obv-Rev.JPG

    Big Trishekels...
    Carthage AE Trishekel Obv-Rev 220-215 BCE Lot 36.jpg
    Carthage AE Trishekel Obv-Rev 220-215 BCE Lot 35.jpg
     
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  7. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I have some of those two!

    My most recent arrival:
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    Kings of Numidia, Micipsa, c. 148-118 BC
    Æ26, 12.9g, 12h; Numidian mint.
    Obv.: Laureate head of king left.
    Rev.: Horse galloping left, pellet below.

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    Zeugitana, Carthage, BC 300 - 264
    AE, 4.78g, 19mm; 2h
    Obv.: Head of Tanit left, wreathed in corn
    Rev.: Horsehead right
     
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  8. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    I thought I had photos of my hemi''s but I don't. Guess that means when I get time I need to do some clickin.
     
  9. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    I don't mean to crash this 5hread. But I saw some green on a couple of your pics. I had mine out earier & some have green that wasn't there before. How can you tell the dif french of BD or like minerals & such.. I've got them separated.
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    BD is powdery and flakes off. Mine are mineral and stable. I will go in and check them again, and perhaps verdicare them if ever needed.
     
  11. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    As Alegandron said, BD is powdery or flakey and easily comes off when scratched with something soft like a wooden toothpick or a rose thorn. Not everything that is green is bronze disease, and even bright green is a common patina color on bronze, so you have to be careful not to make the mistake many new collectors make and go trying to remove green patina that is stable. Really the most basic definition of bronze disease is that it isn't stable, the coin is actually changing and being corroded from it.

    That said, if there's some green that wasn't there before, that is worrying. Got pictures? Preferably, before and after.
     
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  12. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    @red_spork @Alegandron
    I don't want to crash the OP''s thread so I will start a new & post pics there as soon as possible.
     
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  13. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Well, I'll throw in my Numidian bronze of Micipsa and a Carthaginian bronze with Tanit and the pony....
    micipsa of Numidia obverse.JPG micipsa of numidia reverse.JPG Carthage 2.jpg
     
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  14. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    A couple of mine

    241-221bc Carthage
    AE14 Head of Tanit left
    Prancing Horse

    350-250bc Kyme, Aeolis modern Nemrut Limani In Turkey
    Forepart of horse
    Single handle vase, arrow bottom right

    241-221bc Carthage AE14 Head of Tanit left Prancing Horse.jpg

    Kyme.jpg
     
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