Coins used to represent type on the NGC World Price Guide

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Jaelus, Aug 1, 2016.

  1. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    I was just doing some image searching on Google and ran across a high resolution photo of a coin that I recognized as one of my own. It was one I had submitted raw to NGC, and apparently they photographed the coin to represent the type in their World Price Guide. I did some more searching on the price guide and found they are using images of 7 of my coins to represent the type. That's kind of interesting, and it's nice to have access to shots of my coins taken at such high resolution at no cost.

    If anyone else has coins that NGC has used to represent a type in their price guide, share them up here as well.

    Here's what I found:

    Austria 1/4 Florin KM2214 (1859-1865)
    My coin: 1859B MS64

    Austria Corona KM2804 (1892-1907)
    My coin: 1893 MS65

    Austria Corona KM2820 (1912-1916)
    My coin: 1916 MS65

    Hungary 10 Krajczar KM4511 (1870-1889)
    My coin: 1888KB MS64PL

    Hungary 10 Filler KM482 (1892-1914)
    My coin: 1909KB MS66

    Hungary Krajczar KM458 (1878-1888)
    My coin: 1881KB MS64RB

    Hungary Korona KM484 (1892-1906)
    My coin: 1893KB MS65

    I'm glad they liked the coins enough to use for this purpose, but it would have been nice if they had notified me of this use as a courtesy. I've submitted many equally nice coins for other types that they still have black and white scans to represent, including many where I submitted the highest graded example, so I don't know the rhyme or reason for why and how they choose to do this.
     
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  3. cpm9ball

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    I don't know if this would help, but why don't you try to contact Scott Schechter at NGC and ask about their policy in this regard.

    Who knows! Maybe you can get a credit for future submissions or some other form of acknowledgement.

    Chris
     
  4. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    I'm sure I probably signed something as part of each submission that gives them permission to do this. I don't mind at all or really want anything for the use. It would just be nice if they let the customer know somehow.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It doesn't hurt to ask!

    Chris
     
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  6. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Grab the images!
     
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  7. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    NGC has been doing this for the past year or so. They are slowly replacing the horrible black and white scans from the Krause books with actual coin images. I also have not been able to determine the rhyme or reason for when they do and don't take these high quality images. I think it may be a matter of the photographer being available but such that it doesn't slow down the turn around process of the submission.

    PCGS has done this for years for their CoinFacts pages. I'm not certain TPGs have to ask permission to photograph coins -- or it may be buried in the fine print of the submission form. Photographs of 3 dimensional items are considered independent artistic representations. As such, NGC legally owns the copyright to these images, not the person who owns the coin. Though I think this is a moot point, as I don't see NGC trying to capitalize on this in any way. It is a VERY nice upgrade from seeing a black and white photo of the coin to see an actual example photographed!
     
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  8. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    My experience was similar, although I bought the coin that someone else had submitted that became the NGC price guide type example. I did not know this until after I had the coin in hand and spent a lot of time trying to get a good photo of this deeply toned thaler. I've come to the conclusion that there's no way to get a better photograph than the one NGC took before it was encapsulated.

    My attempt:
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    NGC's much better photo:
    http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/...aler-mb-220-1588-1589-cuid-144737-duid-350503
     
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  9. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Already done! I don't think I had taken my own photos yet for any of them.

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  10. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Awesome coin!
     
  11. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    I don't really know any names at NGC. What is Scott's position? I did submit an email to "ask NGC" regarding the use of these photos but I never got a reply.
     
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  13. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    (Link here)
    Scott Schechter, Vice President
    Scott Schechter’s first formal job in numismatics was in 1994 as an intern at the Smithsonian Institution, working with the National Numismatic Collection. After graduating from Harvard with a degree in history of science, he became a dealer in US coins for Pinnacle Rarities. In 2005, he joined Numismatic Guaranty Corporation, where he is now vice president and works as a grader of US coins. At NGC he has also worked on the development of the NGC Registry and online collection-management tools. Scott has lectured for the Professional Numismatists Guild and spoken about coin certification at many conventions in the United States and abroad, including the Beijing International Coin Expo in China and the World Money Fair in Germany. He is a co-author of 100 Greatest US Modern Coins, published in 2010.
     
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  14. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    Thank you, Brandon!
     
  15. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    You probably didn't get an answer because "Ask NGC" is one of the forums where you can post questions and wait for an answer.

    Chris
     
  16. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    It's better to call or directly email a customer service rep anyway. They don't answer every question posted to "Ask NGC"; only the ones they want to answer. It's a fully moderated forum, so you don't even see the unanswered questions as they don't even get posted.

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