Fun fact: At the Central States show this year, I had 3 bust halves, already graded and PCGS slabbed, "trueviewed" and put in Secure Plus slabs. They were ready 14 hours later. I was only charged $17 each for the reholder into Secure Plus. Do you think in those 14 hours they ran them thru their sniffer or the entire process? I don't. Do you @GDJMSP ? What do you think the possibility is they even brought all that equipment with them to the show?
A lesson learned for all of us, by another member expense . I will agree with Doug that coins below Au. Shouldn't be dipped. But after many years of collecting I can honestly say yes I've been taken by a coin with damage pvc or other . I myself usually only buy xf or better coins when it comes to Morgan and Peace dollars I won't go below an Au. when I do purchase a xf coin I make sure that the coin I'm buying is worth the money I'm about to lay down for it. If you're the type that doesn't trust you eye to what you're buying raw you are at the mercy of trusting a TPG. Since the human factor is a major part of the process we must go into buying a coin with both eyes wide open, be it raw or graded. Honestly I believe most collectors use the TPG as a crutch, using the slab more so then how the coin truly looks. We all have seen this many times here on CT by both rookies as well as collectors whom have been in the hobby for years. My regrets to the OP as they didn't get what they paid for from both the seller as well as the company that did this to this specimen .
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PVC or not, I'd imagine it wouldn't just come off with an acetone soak. In order to successfully remove most if not all PVC on a coin, I sometimes had to use a qtip as well and go at it. It was either that or leaving the PVC. I've never soaked more than 5 minutes, but my guess is it might not have worked alone. I think I could've done a tad better than mr hall though
I still say that the coin has had a dip as there is non PVC color on the coin that is not there anymore. With regards to the coin being scrubbed, using harvested PVC to create haze in the fields to cover imperfections has been used by coin doctors, so this may partially explain the poor appearance as the coin does look to have been abrasively cleaned before. I still say the piece was dipped.
All the equipment ? This is a picture of all the equipment in regard to their sniffer - As you can see, it's between those 2 computer screens, it's not very big (smaller than most desktop computers) and is quite easily portable. As for the time factor, this is a direct quote from the PCGS site - FT-IR spectroscopy in the PCGS Coin Sniffer process uses a beam of infra-red light that is reflected off a coin's surface to detect molecules of foreign substances. Different molecules vibrate at different wave lengths. A complete analysis of a coin's surface with simultaneous detection of all wave lengths can be completed in less than one minute. Beyond that all they have to do is run it through their laser scanner - which might take another, what - 5 minutes tops - and then slab it. The point is the things that are different for the Secure Plus from the other grading tiers - the sniffer and laser scanner - take less than 10 minutes to complete them both. And they are both small, easily portable machines. So did they or didn't they ? I freely admit, I don't know. But if they didn't then they are charging you, their customers, for things they are not doing. And doing so at a place where they could easily get caught doing that. And even as much disdain for them as I have, I don't think they'd be likely to do that. You of course are free to have a different opinion. The thing that I really wonder about, is that even given all of this, things we know to be facts, some here would rather trust their opinions that it was PVC residue, based on a single picture they saw - than they would trust the facts that say it wasn't PVC residue. And that, that simply boggles my mind.
How about the folks who looked at the coin in hand - as mentioned on the last page - and agreed? And you realize PCGS only performs these tests on Secure submissions, right?
I readily agreed in the original thread that based on looking at the pictures I thought it looked like PVC residue too. As for those who looked at it in hand, I can't speak for them because I don't know who those people were, or how much they know. In other words - were they even qualified to tell ? I don't know, maybe they were maybe they weren't. But I know that the folks at PCGS who looked at the coin in hand are qualified to tell, I know that the machine can absolutely tell and that there is no margin for error. And I know that if the folks at PCGS who looked at the coin hand, had they thought it was PVC residue, then they would not have dipped the coin. They would have merely rinsed it acetone, removed it, and been done with it. But over and above all of that - I know that the coin was originally put through the machine because it was in a Secure Plus slab. And that simple fact, all by itself, tells me that whatever the green coloration was caused by - it was absolutely not PVC residue. THIS is a fact, not a maybe, not an opinion arrived at from looking at the coin in pictures, or in hand. This is a scientific instrument telling you, with any doubt that it was not PVC residue. And when you have a fact like that you simply can't get away from it, nor can you ignore it. Ever hear me say people will only believe what they want to believe ? Well, these two threads are perfect examples of that. They have a scientific instrument telling them something with certainly - but they refuse to believe it merely because they do not want to.
@GDJMSP Here is a FACT: IMO, ! Guess an opinion is actually not a fact! With all the green PVC residue, and haze, that coin should not have been straight graded as it would continue to deteriorate in the holder. To bad it was not properly conserved.
Yeah, it really came out pretty bad. It would have been better to do a simple PVC removal one's self--that is pretty easy. I do agree it was probably a cleaned coin, but they made it much worse. Too bad.