Coin rarities

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by CHARLES GINETTO, Nov 15, 2023.

  1. CHARLES GINETTO

    CHARLES GINETTO Supporter! Supporter

    I believe that governments, including our own, purposely hike up prices of coins by minting as few as possible or by recalling them by excutive order and melting them out of existence like FDR did.
     
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  3. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think that the current policy of the U.S. Mint is create items with limited mintages to create at least a temporary frenzy. If it makes money for flippers, more the better because it will create more frenzies in the future. Now and then, real collectors get shut out, which I don’t like. It’s not because I want all the stuff the mint sells, usually I don’t. it’s merely because I think that the mint should serve collectors first.

    The FDR situation was different. Coins that were of especial historical interest were exempt, but most people didn’t realize that. That’s why Louis Eliasberg became a collector.

    FDR recalled the gold because he wanted put it under government control and devalue the U.S. dollar. That made U.S. dollars cheaper, which encouraged exports which stimulated the economy. As soon as FDR had control of the gold, he arbitrarily raised the price from $20.50 (or so) to $35 an ounce. Those who held gold got a windfall. In those days, paper money was backed by gold, and FDR took the first steps to end that.

    So, creating numismatic rarities was not FDR’s intent, but it was a byproduct of it.
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I believe our government couldn't care less about the "price" of coins, except to the extent that they can or can't earn money on seigniorage.

    The part of the US Mint that deals with issuing special coins certainly does, but I've seen no evidence that they recall any targeted-at-collectors coins.

    FDR's move, as I understand it, was quite specific to gold as opposed to "coins".

    When silver was sucked out of circulation, it was citizens that did it, not the government. The government kept its coin presses running full-speed to try to fill the resulting deficit.
     
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  5. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    When FDR raised the price of gold it was how the Works Progress Program (WPA) was funded and gave 8.5 million people a job. Remember at that time our population was much smaller and men were by far exceeding women in the work force. Even with these numbers it took WWII to bring us out of the Great Depression.

    The consification of the gold stopped the run on banks. Between 1930 and 1933 9,000 banks had closed with many never reopening. People were afraid of paper money. If your bank closed your savings were also gone, no FDIC back then.
     
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  6. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    I'm certainly no expert on this, but the only coin I am aware of the government actually pulled out of circulation to melt, other than gold coins, is the 1943 steel cent. The government also apologized to the citizens for making it in the first place.
     
  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think they pulled the war nickels out too. The reason that the large mint mark, including the large "P," was placed above Monticello was to make it easier to spot the coins after the war.
     
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  8. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    You're correct they certainly did and it was the intent when the coin was designed I have read. I also read the removal did not last long, too much work and effort for such a small amount of silver.
     
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  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Mom's parents were relatively well-off for a young married couple with small children. They had some thousands of dollars in the bank, each worth close to $20 in today's money. They lost it ALL when the banks closed.

    Until the day they died, they always kept cash hidden around the house, even in the face of high inflation. Better to lose 5-10% per year than to lose it all at once.
     
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  10. CHARLES GINETTO

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    "It's a Wonderful Life," with James Stewart. Or "It's a Miserable Life," with Bevis and Butthead. I think that I read something about King Farouk being gifted one of the 1933 twenty dollar gold pieces by FDR.
     
  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    My father was the valedictorian of his high school class. He won $75 in gold. He put it in the local bank and lost it all.
     
  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    King Farouk was a big coin collector. He got a special license to own the only 1933 double eagle that can be privately held. It’s same one that is still the only example that can be privately owned.
     
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Wasn’t King Farouk’s 1933 gold double eagle sold recently? At an auction I think but I can’t remember as so much has happened in my life recently.
     
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  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think it sold for around $18 million.
     
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  15. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Yes.
     
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  16. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Isn’t it incredible the efforts that generation went to make sure they didn’t fall into ruin again? My wife’s grandmother was on her deathbed when she whispered in my wife’s ear to find the loose brick on her fireplace as there was cash tucked in behind it. My wife did just that and found a dozen loose bricks and several hundred dollars in bills that were that were rolled up tight as toothpicks stuck in those bricks.
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Thanks, that’s what I thought but wasn’t sure.
     
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