Hello All. I have a China 1/2 Yuan Year 3 (1914) (also known as the "Fat Man 1/2 Dollar"). As shown below, it has some unusual cud-like knobs/protrusions on both the obverse and reverse. For reference, this is listed as L&M#64, which states that is should measure 31mm in diameter and weigh 13.6 grams. The piece I have does measure 31mm, but weighs 12.8 grams. While the piece I have is worn, I am curious if it is worn enough to be that must off by weight. Also, I am curious if the cud-like knobs/protrusions are PMD (post mint damage) or the result of a minting error. I realize that counterfeits are abundant in this type and will be fine if that is the case too. As always, any help is greatly appreciated. OBVERSE REVERSE Thank You.
You should be able to answer this for yourself. You have a round piece of metal. Are the lumps on the rims raised? What are lumps as this called? What would PMD look like on a round piece of metal?
@Insider Thank you for the reply. There are no lumps on the edge of the coin. What looks like lumps of metal on the obverse and reverse are not raise above the surface. They are actually flush with the surface of the coin.
Look again. The field of a coin is at one surface level. The relief is at another level. Note that the lumps are higher than the field. They are also not part of the coin's normal design. Therefore, we consider the lumps to be raised from the coin's normal surface. Now, what are lumps as this connected to the rim called? What would PMD look like on a round piece of metal?
Insider; You act like you want to educate people which is appreciated but just answer the damn question.
Are you the actor that played Stephen of Ireland in the movie BRAVEHEART? You "sound" just like him. He talked to God and stuff and wanted people to "just answer the ...... question", too. In real life, he was a bit "touched", as the Comanche would say. Not that you are.... "This can't be William Wallace. I am prettier than this man."
Damn? Homey the don't play dat game. I need a vacation. I suggest you try getting a free opinion from these coin authenticators: PCGS Coin Grading Service - PCGS Rare Coin Grading
@Insider @Hambone1946 @charley Thank you all for your replies. I believe I have all of the information needed. My initial idea that these were cuds are moreover not founded. It seems like a weak design on the opposite side of the coin is a typical result from the lack of striking pressure through a broken die, which is not seen in this piece. In examples of coins with cuds I have seen, the cud exists at a level higher than the field and is obviously not part of the coins original design.
@StevenHarden wrote: "Thank you all for your replies. I believe I have all of the information needed. -+My initial idea that these were cuds are moreover not founded." Before I was rudely attacked in this discussion by a member who had nothing else of value to contribute such as his answer to my questions directed to you... A "cud" is a die break that includes the rim, therefore, IMO we can call these marks "cuds." Cuds are virtually always above the coin's normal field. The blobs ARE RAISED on the coin. That's what I wanted you to see. "It seems like a weak design on the opposite side of the coin is a typical result from the lack of striking pressure through a broken die, which is not seen in this piece. In examples of coins with cuds I have seen, the cud exists at a level higher than the field and is obviously not part of the coins original design." [correct ] You are not finished. What else could cause the raised cud-like blobs on your coin? Perhaps, young Mr. Hambone 1946 can think of a few things. Insider 1939
Can I just chime in and state that these coins are highly faked and can be found everywhere online. I believe the op coin is also one of those cast fakes. The cud-like bits that appear raised on this piece could be from a poor casting. This is why I stay away from most Asian coins, especially the Chinese Dollars, as there are so many fakes out there.
Anyone can chime in! I'll be watching. "What else could cause the raised cud-like blobs on this coin?"
Poor casting on a fake, rim fins that folded over, the coin just looks odd to me, do you think it is authentic?
A soldering job. Anytime that the reverse side doesn't correlate you find yourself in the ex jewelry department.
