Upon seeing this coin come across your desk.

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Pickin and Grinin, Oct 12, 2023.

  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Describe the first thing you see, and how you go about confirming what you think you see.
    I see what could be a scratch going from 2 -7 o'clock.
    (damage). But then is it actually a scratch?
    What say you?

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  3. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    Hard to say without the coin in hand.... I've seen enough of the die crack on peace dollars in about the same position to hold that out as possible until further examination can be done.

    Edit: After seeing the schmootz on his nose I think adhesive might be the best explanation.
     
  4. numist

    numist Member Supporter

    Since it runs underneath the lettering it gives the vibe of a planchet or plating problem to me.
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yeah there is some smootz on his upper lip? There are still plenty of areas that look gouged like scratched, it could all be smoots. Except the other side of the coin has the same tones of the perimeter of the obverse.
     
  6. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    I just can't get past the blob on his nose and mouth and the change in color of the coin inside and outside the border. Like I said, Ive seen that same kind of thing on lots of Peace Dollars so I am totally not ruling out a die break though.

    Not going to be a plating issue, there's no plating here. I'm not sure a planchet flaw would show up like that in the raised letters. Another point for die break, but I can't get past his nose....
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It runs over/thru RICA, E, and LLAR.
     
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  8. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    The color on the reverse matching the areas outside the border of the area in question actually is a point in favor of adhesive. Something covered the area inside the border keeping it from toning in the same manner.
     
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  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Gorilla glue! screaming.gif
     
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  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    In-between that conculsion I looked at the Blob being a strike thru. Or, retained.
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Gorrilla glue would have a bit more bubbled in tone. Did anyone see the rough unexplained debri/or tone between TER and the bust?
     
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  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Here is a different look.
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  13. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Nice Pix. It's just strange, hence my silly answer. Is the area raised or recessed. It's hard to tell with a straight on view. 5d4b3caf935075e3f7b835aa_thought-leadership-ohmconnect-t-o-u-rates-emoji.png
     
  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Putting this coin in a solution is not the next step.

    Could this be an early stage capped die?
    If you cleaned it, what happens when the surfaces don't change?
    It might get a distilled water bath. No Q-tip.
     
  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The step shows most towards the rim. Before I saw the extent of the Blob. My first thought was maybe a struck thru wire, or debri. That small looking gutter makes me think, well I don't know yet. I am gonna have to get some shut eye before I come to a conclusion.
     
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  16. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Yea, good idea. Besides, talking to yourself is strange when others cn listen. lol.gif
    Take more Pics in the morning, Okay?
     
  17. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    schmootz on his nose I think maybe a lamination plus a defective blank.
     
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  18. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Glue. While it looks like a circumferential scratch/crack or maybe a clash, the discoloration being limited to the outer edges of the field vs the bust makes me think glue is protecting the surface from the elements.

    So...what have we?
     
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  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    This is going to have to wait till later. I just don't have the time this morning.
    Please post your opinions.
     
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  20. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It's in a water bath. I poked and nudged the Schmoots didn't leave any indicator of a scratch or damage. Gonna soak it for a few hours.
     
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  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I wish I would have never touched it.
    It had a soak in distilled water.
    Any idea why the obverse changed it tone so much? The water nearly dried up at one time.
    And any new opinions?
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