Can someone help me grade this coin?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Mark12345, Jul 17, 2016.

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  1. Mike Thorne

    Mike Thorne Well-Known Member

    VF30 details. You guys are awfully tough on this coin. It doesn't look that bad to me.
     
    Mike Thorne, Jul 17, 2016
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't think there's anybody who knows coins who would disagree with you on that. Yes, all of the TPGs have slabbed and graded thousands of problem coins that never should have been graded to begin with. And anyone who knows coins easily recognizes them as such.

    But that has nothing to do with the issue we are talking about here. Those are nothing more than cases of the TPGs saying - oh that's not a problem coin, we can grade that one. Just like they do with AU coins when they say - oh that's not really wear on that coin, we can grade that one MS. In other words they are making a conscious decision to ignore the problem just like they ignore the wear.

    But have you ever noticed when (on which coins) they decide to ignore the problem, and when they don't ? Ahhh - now there's the rub - and yes pun intended.

    The issue we are talking about here is one of the basic tenets of coin grading, part of the very foundation of coin grading, that has been with us since the beginning of coin grading itself. That being that problem coins cannot be graded.

    But you are welcome to your opinion that problem coins can be graded. But you cannot deny that the vast majority of the numismatic community, including the TPGs, disagree with you.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 18, 2016
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  4. Jason Hoffpauir

    Jason Hoffpauir Avid Coin Collector

    F-15
     
    Jason Hoffpauir, Jul 18, 2016
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  5. Mark12345

    Mark12345 New Member

    I didn't think it was that bad myself but I do not have anywhere close to the experience many of the community ha
     
    Mark12345, Jul 18, 2016
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  6. Mark12345

    Mark12345 New Member

    I have officially been scared straight and will not consider the coin for purchase anymore lol. Rather error on the side of caution here and live to shop another day!

    Thank you guys for your input!

    Mark :)
     
    Mark12345, Jul 18, 2016
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  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    There is a thread on CT: Help on grading 1914-D cent. Members are grading a counterfeit BECAUSE IT CAN BE DONE. ;)
     
    Insider, Jul 18, 2016
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  8. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter


    ALL coins are gradable. The fact that TPGs may choose not to certify a grade on a damaged coin doesn't mean that a grade can't be determined--merely that that particular TPG won't guarantee a price range on it.
     
    okbustchaser, Jul 18, 2016
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  9. Insider

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    I just gave this post a best answer. The short & sweet: BECAUSE IT IS 100% TRUE and CORRECT. :jawdrop:
     
    Insider, Jul 18, 2016
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  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Isn't that what the TPG's do, personally assign grades? And their grades are opinions. I also have an opinion. I don't agree with them. Now if they said that a problem coin can't be given a problem free grade, then I would agree. Coins were graded for hundreds of years before the TPG's came along (problem and problem free) and I can't accept that until the TPG's came along and blessed them none of those coins had grades.
     
    Conder101, Jul 18, 2016
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  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    If a TPG give a problem coin a grade, has that problem coin been graded? The Dexter 1804 dollar has a counterstamp on it and PCGS says it is a PF-65. Thst counterstamp has been known for over a hundred years. So has PCGS done something that say can't be done? A couple more impossible things and they can have lunch at Milliway's.
     
    Conder101, Jul 18, 2016
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  12. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Net fine
     
    joecoincollect, Jul 19, 2016
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