A Flawed But Fine Denarius

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by David Atherton, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Over the weekend the postman finally delivered my recent Roma win.

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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius
    Ephesus mint, 69-70 AD
    RIC 1399 (C), BMC 434, RSC 37, RPC 808 (10 spec.)
    Obv: IMP CAES VESPAS; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: AVG and horizontal Φ; in oak-wreath
    Ex. Roma E-Sale 18, 27 June 2016, lot 456. Ex Thersites Collection.

    The new RIC assigns this Ephesian Group 2 AVG/wreath type a 'common' rarity rating, which I think is a bit optimistic considering how rarely it is encountered in trade.
    The oddly shaped flan probably helped ward off any rival bidders and win the lot under the estimate, which is OK by me, to my eyes it's really superb.
     
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  3. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Really nice! I like the bold, simple reverse type and the superb portrait.
     
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  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Correction: The provenance should read: Ex. Roma E-Sale 28, 2 July 2016, lot 456. Ex Thersites Collection.

    I cannot trace the provenance any farther back because the 'Thersites Collection' tag that came with the coin is for a different Vespasian denarius - Pax reverse, lot 451. o_O

    Did anyone here win lot 451?
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    David, that coin was on my short list for bidding and I decided not to at the last minute :D. Despite the odd flan, it is a compelling coin with a character-laden portrait and overall pleasing appearance. I'm glad you picked it up :)
     
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  6. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I was genuinely surprised how low it went. I'm glad we didn't bump heads over it!
     
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    If I'd decided to bid I would have PM'd you about it to see if you were also chasing it, and we could have worked out ahead of time who was going to bid. I will definitely check with you before bidding on any Flavians.

    I forgot to do that recently on a Hadrian and ended up bidding against Okidoki. It would have been better (read: potentially cheaper for the winner) if we'd decided which of us was going to bid on it beforehand. (I won the coin :D)
     
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  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Most of my Flavians are in my Forvm Gallery. If you ever want a type I don't have posted there please do PM me, I wouldn't want to bid against a friend!

    Harry Sneh and I had a similar arrangement for many years while he was actively collecting and it worked out very well for both of us.
     
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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Love that portrait. Excellent!
     
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  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I LOVE that coin and the 'odd shape' in no way detracts from it as far as I'm concerned....it just makes it even more interesting and the 'devices' are simply wonderful!!
     
  11. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    A superb coin David.
     
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  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Im not crazy about Vespasian denarii, but man this one is over the top - has a very unique shape and very very nice motif. I would have bought this!
     
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  13. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wonderful coin, great portrait on it.
     
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  14. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Actually an excellent example of what can happen with hammered coinage.
     
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  15. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Fabulous portrait. I think the flan gives it character frankly. Nice addition to your collection David.
     
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  16. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Cool looking apple shaped denarius. Really like the details on both sides.
     
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  17. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    A wonderful coin from a wonderful pair of dies. I'm really impressed

    Fantastic addition, congrats
    Q
     
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  18. Tim Lackie Jr

    Tim Lackie Jr Active Member

    Sweet grab!
     
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  19. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    That is a great portrait and I think the odd flan gives it character.
     
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  20. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I agree with the folks above, great portrait. All features are on the coin, so the odd shaped flan only adds to the interest.
    Is the line from the center of the dimple a crack in the flan? If so, I would put the coin in a kointain. I had a high grade coin with a small crack (and some un-noticed crystalization). The coin broke into two parts. I resolved to use holders for similar coins in the future.
    https://www.amazon.com/25-Kointain-coin-holders-Nickels/dp/B009K4WZUU
     
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  21. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Not a crack in the coin, but apparently a hairline crack in the die. It's in high relief in good metal and has the true 'ring' of a solid denarius (those who have handled denarii at desk know what I mean).
     
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