Die deterioration causes Die Chips Here is an example from my collection Please show the entire Obverse of your Cent. Yours is probably and earlier stage.
Here ya go paddyman. Please post a similar picture of your obverse also. I don't think they are different stages of the same die. Your D is more correctly. placed. Mine is at an angle. My 9 also looks like some form of doubling and yours is clearly a cud. Yours would seem to be most like LDB4-1957D-118 4SCL From cuds-on-coins.com
The 9 and the B are the most common place on Wheat Cents for Die Breaks/Chips to occur. The issue on your numeral 9 is definitely not doubling. They are die breaks called Die Chips as stated on slab of my NGC label and there are definitely different stages. Also a Cud always involves the edge of a coin and part of the field. Here are examples of Cuds from my collection.. And the Cud Book from my library..
Perhaps cud was the wrong term. Though the cuds you posted are interesting paddyman, what I wanted to see was a full size obverse of your 1957 D. I'd also like to hear the reasoning behind your belief that my "9 is definitely not doubling". Do you reach that conclusion based on the closeup image? If so, can you point to the evidence in that picture?
They are die chips, nothing more. Think about the way the die its self looks. Everything that is recessed on the coin is raised on the die, if its raised on the coin the opposite is true. Now, think about how tiny and fragile those raised pieces are in the devices. Its not uncommon for them to get damaged while being used. The die simply had a piece break off in those spots and they kept using the die for a while, nothing more. Plus, here's the Variety Vista listings for 1957 D DDOs. Nothing there resembles your coin remotely. Well heck... I should ACTUALLY post the link darnit.... http://www.varietyvista.com/01a LC Doubled Dies Vol 1/DDO 1957-D.htm
As Paddyman said. The 9 and B are very common places to find Die chips. Or IDB's. In fact the late 50's especially the 57. The dies were littered with IDB's. The die prep was not done well and the dies were overused. It is a very common occurance and not a doubled die.
That is a die chip on the “B” in LIBERTY In the 1969 edition of “THE CLASSIFICATION AND VALUE OF ERRORS ON THE LINCOLN CENT” by Jean Cohen there are listings for what she called “CLOGGED LETTERS”. CONECA now has the coins and the copyright for Jean Cohen’s collection. Sorry to say they have never done anything with it. You need to get permission from them to post images from the book. She cataloged, illustrated and listed all kinds of errors, some of which we now call varieties, on the Lincoln Cents from 1909 through 1969. Her book the 1969 edition of “THE CLASSIFICATION AND VALUE OF ERRORS ON THE LINCOLN CENT” is a must have for any collector of Lincoln Cent Errors and Varieties. If you’re an ANA member you can check the book from the ANA Library. At one time CONECA also had this book in their Library, check with the CONECA Librarian, to see if it can be checked out. Your coin could be listed on page 304, but without images of the full obverse and reverse, we can’t match the rest of the die markers.
Yes the 1957 9's are routinely filled. But the fills all look like die chips, not like doubling. Interesting that the book you reference apparently has an example of a 9 that looks like mine? How close is it to how mine appears?
If it was a true doubled 9, where is the doubled tail? You can't just double the top curve and not the tail. Even if the tail of the 9 was "filled", there would be at least some minor difference that could be noticed. For sure its not a DDO, IMO Jim
cwart, when I have posted full pics I have seen a total of zero feedback from that effort in the past. When I ask for full pics my requests are ignored (see above). The question I asked 2old is a simple one. It does not require a view of the reverse.
Your request was a simple one, but still one that CANNOT BE DONE without seeing the full coin. He is trying to help you but needs to look for Die Markers that will tell him what he is looking at. His final sentence of his post tells you that explicitly. Varieties aren't a game of horseshoes where close is good enough. Your coins needs to have an exact set of markers in order to be wjat he thinks it might be. To look for those markers he needs to see the full coin, not a close up of one small area.
