First Tiberius - A Provincial with Bull Butting

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  1. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Being on CoinTalk has made me much more interested in collecting Roman coins (you all are a bad influence!). I am doing the one or more coins from each emperor plus their families system and I needed a Tiberius. I found this neat Tiberius provincial which has an almost Greek looking reverse.

    Tiberius AE 1.JPG
    Tiberius, AD 14-37, Phrygia, Eumeneia. AE 18mm
    Valerios Zmertorix, magistrate.
    Obv: Bare head right
    Rev: Bull butting right
    RPC 3144, SNG Munchen – SNG von Aulock 8368 (same obverse die)

    Post your Tiberius or Greek cross over Romans!

    John
     
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  3. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    That is a superb coin, no bull!
     
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  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That's a very nice-looking coin!
     
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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Nice Tiberius, here are mine.

    tiberius.jpg tiberius ric 4.jpg
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    NICE provincial Theo! I like the Bull butting.

    Here are mine...

    RI Nero and Drusus Caesar under Tiberius Carthago Nova mint AE As 14-37 CE Obv-Rev.jpg
    Roman Imperial - Provincial
    Tiberius 14-37 CE
    AE As
    Nero and Drusus Caesar
    Carthago Nova mint

    RI Tiberius AE As 14-37 CE Laureate-Pont Max Globe Rudder RIC I 58 Obv-Rev.jpg
    Roman Imperial
    Tiberius 14-37 CE
    AE As
    Laureate
    PONTIF MAX Globe Rudder
    RIC I 58
     
  7. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Very nice one Theo! Do you know the city? Here's another with a bull.

    philippi.jpg
     
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  8. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Cross overs eh?

    Provincial's that look Greek:
    normal_MyrinaLyre.jpg corycus.jpg normal_demosAthena.jpg normal_tomislion.jpg normal_ParionFounder.jpg Aspendos.jpg normal_Clipboard4~5.jpg byzantiumherc2.jpg

    Greek's that look Provincial:
    Calycadnum.jpg
     
  9. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

  10. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Can I share mine? It's not a Tiberius or a bull butting or even a Greekish provincial but it is a provincial with a bull.

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    Octavian, 27 BC - AD 14
    AE32, 16g, 6h; Colonia Celsa.
    Obv.: II VIR COL V I CELSA; bare head of Octavian right.
    Rev.: Bull right; L.POMPE.BVCCO above, L.CORNE.FRONT (moneyers).
     
  11. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thats a great bronze, in the OP. I like it alot.

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    Tiberius (14 - 34 A.D.)
    AR Tetradrachm
    EGYPT, Alexandria
    O: [TI]BERIOS KAISAR SEBASTOS, laureate head of Tiberius right; LID (date) in right field.
    R: QEOS SEBASTOS, radiate head of Augustus left.
    EGYPT, Alexandria Mint, year 14=27/28 A.D.
    13.43g
    23mm
    RPC I 5090; Milne 54; Emmett 61
     
  12. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

  13. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Nice coin. You are right, its Tiberius and Greek. Here's the attribution:

    Phrygia, Eumeneia, Valerios Zmertorix as Magistrate. RPCI 3144 // SNGVonAulock 8368.
     
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  14. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    The OP coin is ex CNG 78, lot 1339, 14 May 2008. That was Part II of the Richard Prideaux Collection of Augustus. That was a nice collection, worth knowing about. The CNG catalogue includes this bio of Prideaux:

    "Richard Prideaux was born in Illinois sixty years ago. A dual national, he eventually moved to France, where he studied law and history, closing the loop opened by his ancestors the Prideaux Brothers, who crossed the Channel with William the Conqueror in 1066 before some descendants sailed to America eight hundred years later. Fond of "the first centuries" (BC and AD), he started collecting Roman coins in 1970, including a broad range of coinage from aes grave to Hadrian. Later, at the Sorbonne, when he was working on the military symbolism in Augustus' coinage, he focused his numismatic interest on the first emperor's issues, and over time assembled an extensive academic collection.

    Richard Prideaux believes that understanding the mentalities of people living in the past is essential to appreciate generally how they lived, and specifically to understand their coinage. To address the questions of why, how, when and where the coins were issued, one must consider many factors, some of which may easily be forgotten or misinterpreted nowadays. He is now preparing a book about Augustus' coinage. His comprehensive study has enabled him to reinterpret various aspects of the coinage, and he has kindly communicated some of his insights which have served as the basis for notes in the following catalog.

    Richard Prideaux would like to pay tribute to the late Professor Pierre Grimal, who knew and understood Rome so well that he might as well have been a citizen of the 1st Century visiting our time, and who enlightened the minds of so many scholars studying Roman history and literature, and to the late Professor Andre Magdelain, whose immense and almost magical knowledge of Roman law and religion impressed and helped so many students and colleagues. He also wants to thank sincerely Professor Francois Hinard for his acute and precious curiosity in Roman mentalities, legions, oaths and symbols, and of course Professor Michel Amandry, Director of the Cabinet des Medailles of the Bibliothèque Nationale de France, whose wisdom, advice and help have been priceless through the years."
     
  15. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Nice coins, this is mine Tiberius provincial part of my architecture collection. Tiberius, Spain.jpg
     
  16. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Nice OP coin, with a very good style on both sides. Some very pretty specimens all along this thread too

    My only Tiberius is a denarius and has a very roman look to it

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    Tiberius, Denarius minted in Lyon after AD 15-16
    TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGUSTUS, Laureate head of Tiberius right
    PONTIF MAXIM, Woman seated right (Livia ?)
    3.71 gr
    Ref : RCV #1763, Cohen #16

    Q
     
  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Theodosius, congrats on the sweet OP-addition!!

    Tiberius, eh? ...

    Ummm, I've only got two examples ... both awesome!!


    Tiberius Emerita.jpg Tiberius Counterstamp.jpg
     
  18. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    I am envious stevex6 I have always wanted the town gate with windows in the towers.......I will keep looking.
     
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  19. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Wow, Volodya, how did you know that? I appreciate the information on Richard Prideaux.

    I meant to post the attribution that came with the coin, doh! It has the original CNG ticket, just like you said: CNG 78, lot 1339.

    John
     
  20. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Thanks Ken!

    I updated the attribution in the OP, just for future reference.
     
  21. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's a LOVELY coin!

    here's one that didn't get a consensus from CT members as to if it was greek or roman.

    I put it in my greek box, so I guess it's gree.

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