Thoughts on this counterfeit 1908 motto $10 Gold?

Weight is spot on; I was told gold content is good as well (I am taking it to my local coin shop next week).

Unquestionably a fake, I do wonder if Lebanese, Chinese or what?



The coin is not “green” as shown in the original owner’s images; more like in my Wife’s image in the PCGS body bag (past owner submitted).



I have taken some close ups of the edge including an odd (to me) feature and a date comparison.









All comments welcomed!

 

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I am no $10 Indian expert however I do have a nice 1926 in MS64, and the differences are very obvious, I think the date alignment is a dead giveaway !

 

Obverse and Reverse does not fit.
I think Lebanese as the Gold content is ok.

 

I had a Similar piece….Libanese as Well.

 

Thank you @Rheingold ; looks like the same edge as well.

 

@Rheingold

How do you know the place of manufacture or are you just pulling up something that was true in the past? It is my understanding that the Lebanese have not produced any counterfeits this good (if they are still striking them at all any more). While once a hotbed for counterfeits in the 60's and 70's, apparently the wars over there long ago shut most of them down.

 

Is the ridge on the edge a gap in the collar or whatever they used to stamp the stars? (I don't know how they did this on real ones).

 

This coin was struck in a segmented collar that opens outward upon ejection. Otherwise, the raised letters on its edge would be sheared off! The three vertical bars are where the segments come together.

 

Hey insider, does your company have an XRF gun and how much do/would it charge for testing validation? I have thought seriously about starting a company to do just that, but $30,000 for one gun would also give me some wonderful coins. Jim

 

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I have no idea of this denomination but I’d like to know so post your LCS’s response after they look at it.

 

Nose looks different to a genuine one; gen 1908 on the right, @Rheingold 's "1910" on the left:

 

In your experience, is that use of a segmented collar indicative of an older Lebanese counterfeit or a more modern Chinese counterfeit ?

 

As usual, I learned something from @Insider ; I assume this is necessary for genuine US examples with this type of edge...

 

OP are those die crack remnants in the 3rd image going from the eagle's head to the "A?"

 

Nope. If you start a business, I believe you can rent-to-buy a "gun."

Did you understand why a segmented collar is needed for coins with raised figures on an edge? Struck C/F $10 have the same edges but the die polishing on the collar usually differs from that found on genuine coins. I took an Image of a fake $10 Indian edge and rim today. I'll try to get around to posting it this week.

 

Look more like some fine scratches...

 

Seems to me a segmented collar would be required whether incused or raised if the design detail was was carried by the collar and transferred to the coin at the strike. Either the collar will get stuck in the coin or the coin will get stuck in the collar.

 

I would think the collar would release before the top die? Top die would hold the coin in place as the collar releases?