The Future of Daniel Carr Overstrikes?

It's not.

 

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My wish is one with a moose on it, like the owl but with a moose, or a Reading T1 steam engine.
Oh well I should live so long.

 

And if that means exactly copying the work of genuinely talented others, than a "true artist" you are.

 

You can try to insult me all you want. But I don't care.

PS: Are you familiar with "money artist" J.S.G. Boggs ?

 

How am I insulting you? You implied what you do is perfectly acceptable for a "true artist", and I agreed; quit simple really.

Even though I've no expectations that you'll admit reality (and I do understand why), the fact is the designs are copied. We can play our little semantics game if you'd like, but that's what they are. With the "overstrikes" in question, you did not simply incorporate certain past design elements into something of your own as with the other posted examples, but exactly copied the design, and for (obvious) good reason. It's the same reason why you refuse to incorporate more obvious identifiers into the "overstrikes"; a large "DC" mintmark would be a nice touch (imo), but you know as well as I that it would detract from the aesthetics of the original design. The act of producing very well may be an art, and for that I certainly do give you credit, but the design is just a copy, nothing less and nothing more.

I am somewhat familiar with Mr. Boggs, and if memory serves me correctly, I believe his copies were done by hand. If wrong please do correct me.

 

If you choose to take it as an insult, that's your business. I feel you show no objectivity, and are blinded by your own hate for Carr's work to the extent that you've appointed yourself judge and jury in place of a legal system which hasn't found anything to it worth their while. You deny the overwhelming response his work receives from the buying demographic, and the fact that it's only the same few posters trotting out the same tired attacks every time the man's name is mentioned. It's a vendetta on your part (you and those few who feel like you), plain and simple, and equally insulting - to yourselves. If it's this bad, why is he still in business?

Those of us who look at things more objectively are getting tired, too. Your "numbers" aren't increasing, only the shrillness of your attacks.

 

We both need to do that.

 

I'll drink to that. This place makes me more confrontational than I like to be as a person. The language allowed here boggles my mind, especially after ten years at another forum where it doesn't fly at all (and the place is a thriving community all the same).

At least you post interesting coins, too, Larry. You're obviously a collector with opinions, not just someone with opinions.

See you guys tomorrow. I need a day off.

 

Just had my first drink for the day. I need to tone my stuff down and I'm going to do that.

 

We just cannot please everyone. When posts get removed or edited, based on what we see right away and/or on reports from members, the reaction may be complaints. When we leave "borderline" posts where they are, others may complain.

Currently for example the Carr Summer Seminar topic is getting heated too. Ah, we will see where that goes ...

Christian

 

Probably because there wouldn't be any profit in it at all!

Folks who have "difficulties with Daniel Carr's work obviously have not examined it very closely. While some tout it as amazing artistry all I really see is "rounded lettering" which has never been a mark of quality for the US Mint. US Mint coins have square definition and in some cases, like the MORGAN Dollars and other silver coins, look as if each device was manually glued to the surface of the coin. The definition between device and field darn near looks fake.

I've purchased quite a few of the products from the moonlight mint and IMO, each has the exact same characteristic "rounded" letters.

By "rounded", I'm referring to the top of the device which, if a cross section were made, would look like the lower graphic:



Every overstrike that he creates looks like the above not to mention the obvious remnants of the original coin.







To me, even an untrained eye can see this.

Of course, the argument exists that "novices" will get ripped off since "COPY" isn't present on the coin. I need not remind folks of how many of those oversized metal coasters are sold as US Mint errors or the number of "fools" that bought into World Monetary Reserve's Ballistic Roll Scam which fleeced thousands of folks to get their 50 Coin roll of Washington "Golden" Dollars for free! All that was required was paying the $124 Vault Release Fee!

The point being, it's is difficult to protect stupid from him or herself.

None of the above reflect badly upon the Numismatic Community which is fully aware of the Moonlight Mint Overstrikes which ave been thoroughly documented on the Internet. All it takes is a few very simple key strokes.

BUT, if folks did that then the "Con Men" of the world would go out of business. Think the current Telephone IRS Scam or perhaps the Nigerian eMail Scam. Both work quite effectively against folks who are dumb but they don't even know they are dumb.

To a numismatist that invests thousands of dollars into their collection for the appreciation of the coins, the Moonlight Mint offers no credible threat and as such, will have no effect on coin collecting. The "get rich quick" folks might stub their toes but again, these people aren't coin collectors. They're profiteers.

Thats my Opinion and I'm sticking to it.

As stated earlier, these are produced as novelties and will always remain novelties. Kinda like the currently recognized ans unauthorized over strikes and restrikes that exist in the Numismatic World toady which are fully recognized by the Top TPG's.

 

If I recall correctly, there was a certain "Conspiracy Theorist" that hosted some type of Utube channel that was suing your pieces as "PROOF POSITIVE" that the North American Union was in the works by the US Government!

What an idiot he turned out to be.

 

What it wasn't? I thought he was part of the NWO.






My 50 Amero piece is used to scare people into the North American Union etc etc...That was my first DC piece, 2009 I think....Nice.

 

I find all the dustup about DC's overstrikes a bit disingenuous given that there exist real and omnipresent threats to the hobby of numismatics. Counterfeiting in the Far East, legislation aimed at curtailing the trade of numismatic items - now those are bonafide threats to the hobby. A relatively pitiful sum of rather pricey overstruck fantasy coins are not an existential threat to a knowledgeable collecting base.

 

And the key word is 'knowledgeable'. If one is a collector he needs to gird his loins, or forever suffer the consequences of not doing his so called homework..........

 

Dave it's really no vendetta , I just don't like almost exact copies of our coins . And in reality I haven't entered a Carr thread lately until one like you or Cascade start throwing insults or using the hater word . Why don't you reread a lot of the Carr threads and see who starts the insults . Sorry if I have a different opinion than you do as I think that's my right as the last time I looked we were still in the good ole USA .

 

EDIT: already corrected.

 

Actually, NO "Omega" fake is worth more than the genuine specimens. I've sold two unc's for $$$ over gold as curisoties. I don't know anyone who would choose an Unc "Omega" over a genuine worn HR.

Actually, he only fooled the pros for one to two months. Three at the most.

I read that the "Omega" coins were struck using transfer dies that were "state-of-the-art" at that time.

I admire D. Carr and from his interaction with me he is an upstanding person. I'll put his "art" on the same level as Boggs the famous artist of currency.

Thankfully, people who condemn his work and don't purchase his products make more available for those who collect them. I'll bet prices for his "coins" will far surpass most of the genuine coins we collect. I get so jealous when one of my friends cherrypicks one of his P/L Unc type coins at "melt" from an ignorant dealer!

 

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@SuperDave is pointing out that collectors like Carr's stuff. This is FACT NOT INSULT .

 

I had a feeling you would find that post....