Imitating Bahram Gor - Sogdiana(?)

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  1. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Any thoughts on this one? This coin i acquired in trade with one of my FB friends. I like coins that are imitations, uncertains and unknowns, but I really love good condition coins that are unknown imitations made my uncertain people in unknown locations.
    This is what I believe to be a Hunnic imitation of Bahram Gor (Varhran V) ruling AD 420-438. It is very similar to a few of the Sogdiana types from Tom's old site.

    http://grifterrec.rasmir.com/sasania/sas_imitation.html

    Has something new been revealed on this type? It does appear to be a precurser to the "Hudat" series.

    Hudat!

    buhkaraHudatC.jpg


    But Hudis?
    29 mm x 3.83 grams
    VarhranVc.jpg
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I still need to get a "Hun" coin, they're cool. Great coins, as usual.
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Cool coin, Noob (congrats)

    Ummm, the only Soggy-dawg I have is this baby ...

    LOCAL ISSUES, Sogdiana. Samarkand (Pre-Ikhshid). AR Obol
    4th-5th centuries AD
    Diameter: 11 mm
    Weight: 0.42 grams
    Obverse: Bearded male head left; [Sogdian legend around]
    Reverse: Schematic soldier standing facing, hand on hip and holding bow
    Reference: Cf. Senior A8.6i (for type); cf. Zeno 110045 (same)


    Sogdiana.jpg
     
  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    No idea, of course, but the second coin is very interesting!
     
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  6. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    i have this one, i can't tell you much about it...but i remember you pointed on the head on the reverse to me AN.

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    Arab Bukhara, Abassid Caliph Al-Mahdi, 775-785 AD. Billon drachm.
    O: Bust right, Arabic legend behind (Al-Madhi), Sogdian legend before. R: Fire altar, head right. 26 mm, 2.5 g
     
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  7. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    The OP is as far as I know from the Bukharhudat series, a pretty constant series that was minted from about 750-900 AD. I mean, the same type, but varied colors because of the metal. There's good silver, billon and the nice yellow and red copper variants. There are types with and without recognizable heads on the reverse. The first coins and that of chrsmat71 have heads in the 'flames'. That second coin is really great, I can't tell you (here without books) what type it is. You are not selling it? ('I got a couple of coins on ebay' you keep saying, so my hopes are up).
     
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  8. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

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  9. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    That was my thought as well. Can you link to the Zeno discussion?
     
  10. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Wow that is the exact coin.
     
  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I coin is certainly could be cast. Can't rule out fake.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2016
  12. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    All nice coins, neat topic! I should be getting my first Hunnic coin in 2 weeks. There seems to be a lot of Hunnic tribes...White/Red....
     
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  13. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Excellent, so I need not look for that strange coin, that turns out to be a fake. Sorry ancientnoob...

    Here's one of my Bukharkhudat coins. Probably from the 9th century AD, a good quality silver coin. Left, on the obverse, a vague imitation of a legendary Sassanian shahanshah's head can be seen, the head with the crown of Bahram V Gor (reigned 420-438).
    On the reverse, there's the head of the god Ahura Mazda in the flames. At the foot of the reverse you can see a little square, the rudimental base of the fire altar. The whole setup of this coin has been taken from the Sassanian silver drachm, a trusted monetary unit for many centuries at the borders of the Bukhara realm (now in Uzbekistan).
    When this coin was produced, the large Bukhara oasis had been firmly Islamic for half a century. However, coins like this, firmly rooted in an old and trusted coinage tradition, were accepted readily and the Abbasid drachms were not.

    Bukharkhudat.jpg
     
  14. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    This is an old thread, but in the meantime I found a coin that's much like your second OP one, Ancientnoob, that we think is a fake.
    My coin has the same images, but the details are very different. It probably is a contemporary imitation.There are some tiny points that suggest this might be a fourree, although it is thin like a wafer.
    Diameter roughly 27 mm, 3,08 gr.

    Sogd im Var V.jpg
     
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