Silver Antoninianus or Fourree

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Topcat7, Jul 8, 2016.

  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    I do not know if I am looking at (yet another) silver Antoninianus where the top layer of silver is peeling off or whether I am looking at a fourree.

    Can you help me please?

    (Ex J Eric Engstrom Collection, Ex CNG.)
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  3. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    I'm no expert but I think it may be a fouree. Silver don't usually turn green like that unless its plated. Maybe others who know more will chime in later.
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I believe this is a little faulting in the outer surface where it was compressed in striking. The core metal was the same but not as compressed or the flan was pickled removing some base metal from the surface leaving a honeycomb that was pressed into a better silver layer on the outside. It looks nothing like a fourree to me.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Ummm, what Doug said. Yeah, that's it. Only kidding Doug, but I think you're correct.
     
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  6. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Thank-you, people. I went ahead and bought it.
    (Photos when it arrives.)
     
  7. KIWITI

    KIWITI Well-Known Member

    As Doug already said. Nice catch!
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    So, you are saying it is like having shingles: you had chicken pox when you were younger and they did not pop out completely: (core metal was the same but not as compressed or the flan was pickled), so Shingles pops up later in your life! I get it! :D
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Yeah, that's it.:wacky:
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I was trying to get it down into "technical metallurgy manufacturing" terms... :D
     
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I've had shingles and coins and miss the similarity. Oh, you mean when you get an itch for new coins???:eek:
     
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nonsensical
     
  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    You seem to be very agreeable today.
     
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  14. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Another way to check for a plated coin is to check the weight (really the SpGr, but weight is way easier). For RR denarius, this is a pretty good, but not absolute test. Find 10 +/- a few examples and calculate the average weight and standard deviation. If you are over a couple of standard deviations low, chances are you have a fouree.
     
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  15. KIWITI

    KIWITI Well-Known Member

    Metal was the same, but an acidic treatment (lemon juice perhaps?) was aplied to the blank surface so it became "more silvered" when strike.
     
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