Finaly Picked up a Cartwheel 1797

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  1. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    An addition to my colonial copper collection :D
    Was extremely happy and surprised to score this one for a $20 (28 with shipping lol) :D :D :D
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    Last edited: Jul 10, 2023
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  3. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Quite the bargain! Congratulations!
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Nice Find! beavisbutthead.gif
     
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  5. kountryken

    kountryken Well-Known Member

    Want to double your money, lol? Great deal, I think? I actually don't know it's value, but for a coin that old, in that condition, I think it sounds like a fantastic deal! Glad for you.
     
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  6. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    I got it for opening bid (had placed a bid of 57 and was ready to go to at least 75... She's one of the nicest raw examples i've seen for sale... as for value.. NGC has this to say... Don't get me wrong I've seen plenty of them up to vf selling in the 20 range but XF and above the price rockets... I'm damn happy I scored this one dirt cheap :D
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    That is a nice one...BTW the 2 ounce weight is Av. instead of Troy.
     
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  8. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

    Nice example, these Pennies circulated extensively, and certainly come much worse than this... Now you just need its big brother ;)
     
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  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    That is a nighty lot of history to hold for a mere twenty bucks. Nice score.
     
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  10. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Why is it a "Cartwheel"?
     
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  11. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

    This series (1d, 2d) of copper coins, struck in 1797 by the Soho mint on new steam presses became known as 'Cartwheel' coinage owing to their size, as well as the pronounced raised rim containing the inscriptions.
     
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  12. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    That's a beautiful score @mrweaseluv
    Are you going to authenticate, grade and entomb it?
     
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  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    This was a response to years of light weight counterfeit copper coins that had flooded the English economy for almost 20 years. The idea was, here is an honest two penny (also a one penny) coin that really has two pennies worth of metal in it. Unfortunately the coins were so big and cumbersome that they were impractical.
     
  14. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    good question... as most of my colonial coppers are raw in airtites it will likely join them, but it is a tempting coin to have graded lol
     
  15. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    For those who have not seen these coins in person, here is the two penny piece next to a quarter. It is three times as thick as a quarter.

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    Here is an example of the one penny 1797 piece.

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  16. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    I love chunky copper coins. Here is my two penny:
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    Thickness comparison to a dime:
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  17. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I've never seen one. Thanks for showing it to us.
     
  18. J.T. Parker

    J.T. Parker Well-Known Member

    Quite a handsome dude.....
    for the 18th century.
    J.T.
     
  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Sorry, I thought yours was a 2 pence.
     
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  20. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    easy enough to mistake one for the other.. they are near identical except for size :D
     
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  21. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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