The Future of Daniel Carr Overstrikes?

Ah, excellent point. I just love the design. Lost my head there for a second.

 

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Me too. That's awesome!

 

I'm getting a 503 from his sales site.

 

Which one is that? I'm trying to navigate dc-coin and getting broken icons and slow loading. I wonder if that's on my end.

 

Same site; his others are working. Must be software work on his end, no biggie.

 

Seems fine now. Too much traffic maybe

 

Makes sense. 23 and 14 is a limited production.

By point of comparison, GMM struck the 1855 $50 gold restrikes (I believe Moffat & Co). The issue price I believe was $5000 when the spot price was much lower than today or the recent past. I believe the mintage was several thousand and today, it is worth a slight premium over melt, which is still less than the issue price.

 

I'd love to see the 1934 Saint-Gaudens!! I could totally see Daniel making a profit with common date MS64 and MS63 selling at just above melt. Charging $250 or $300 over the cost of acquiring the originals would not be bad at all.

As far as striking them in Silver or Brass, I'd see no issue with the denomination being on the silver or brass strikes. The recent 1916 Centennial pieces were struck with the denomination and the actual date of the original pieces, with the only difference being the blank sizes were 1oz blanks. He could easily produce 1.5oz silver blanks and do a similar Saint-Gaudens strike on those. I bet they would be gorgeous!!

 

So, the Carr overstrikes have been produced for about 7 years now. Has anyone here ever heard of a person getting deceived by them (for example, buying what they thought was a real government issued 1964 Peace dollar or a 1933 Washington quarter) in the secondary market? BTW: IMO, the future of the Carr overstrikes is very bright thanks in part to the controversy.

 

But-but-but they TOTALLY could be! Or someone could try to spend one of these VILE COUNTERFEITS as though it were REAL MONEY! (If one were intent on losing a hundred dollars or so at a shot.)

 

Oh, yeah... because if it doesn't make it to cointalk, it never happened, right?

And by the way.. in the not so distant past a respected member of this forum wrote of an experience where someone believed their copy to be the genuine article, so perhaps it's happened after all.

 

You can't help stupid, especially in the Internet age. I have no sympathy for someone who would try to sell one of his 64 peace or any of his overstrikes as genuine. That argument holds about as much water as sieve to me

 

On a personal level I agree, but if you truly believe one "can't help stupid" (and I do), why were you so gung-ho on reporting junk in a bezel earlier to ebay? Like it or not, it works both ways...

 

Because that crap and his art are world's apart. Which BTW perfectly illustrates the reason of why all the division, you either get that or you don't.

Think of him like a hobo artist of the 21st century only his tools are a decommissioned US mint press and a computer

 

Hmmm. Maybe Carr can get a job with the CIA. Sounds like a covert operation to me.

 

"His" art? The man exactly COPIES the work ("ART") of others, which is exactly what the producer of the bezel junk did; bow to his, ahem, "greatness" as you wish, but at least have the self-respect to accept this simple reality. They're both copies, Cascade... all this "illustrates" is the deep, deep hypocrisy displayed "ad nauseam" in these threads; in this respect, the only difference between his, ahem "art" and the copies you so abhor is who produced them and how you choose to see them.

One can still use the talent in their own hands in the 21st century, sir; when he starts using his, instead of a computer and CNC to produce "his" dies or copies, I will.

 

Ironic how quick some who are always lecturing on personal responsibly and education all of a sudden think every buyer needs their hand held just because its a Carr piece.

 

Yes his art. Warhol copied Campbell's. Don't forget the REAL counterfeiter, Omega, some of his pieces are worth more than the originals. Some collect Omega pieces because of the artistic value. He fooled the pros for a long time before they found his signature. That takes a great amount of skill to copy something so precise. That's the thing about art. It can be anything you want it to be. Now unless Omega had an old genuine u.s. mint die and press, I'd say that's incredible work. Original or not.

 

I don't think you really understand modern art or "performance" art. But you don't have to - a lot of people don't, and/or they don't like it.

Which is more difficult:

Designing and engraving a die using a clay model and a reduction lathe ?
or
Writing your own 3D sculpting program and using it to design and engrave dies ?

A lot fewer people have accomplished the latter. In fact, I don't think anyone else has ever written their own 3D sculpting program AND used it to make their own dies.