Thoughts on the grade of this 1883-CC Morgan?

I was using the wrong website there is a 1883-CC by that number. The look up page doesn't work. My Franklin graded MS-64 FBL doesn't show in the look up page. You use this page https://www.pcgs.com/cert

 

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This page doesn't work for serial number lookup https://www.pcgs.com/pcgsnolookup

 

I haven't read thread but will say grade is a ***FAKE***. I have a Morgan set going and have evaluated many, including 83-CCs lately as I need one. Grade wise this looks like a 64 at least, maybe even a 65 for lack of marks visible in the pic. There's 65s with way more marks in focal areas than can be seen here. At first I was thinking maybe subdued luster knocked it down.

But on closer inspection the label doesn't look right and the date doesn't look right. Among other things. Would fool many people though.

 

I looked it up and says it is an 1883-CC that is currently in someone's registry set.

 

Jack D. Young, posted: "...actually I am interested in thoughts on the grade, as the counterfeiters often miss the mark there as well

These are the coins I loved to buy in the 1980's. Back then, you could find a virtually mark free, fully-original, brilliant "white" Morgan dollar with a weak or flat strike in a PCGS or NGC slab graded MS-63 or even 64 with a very cheep price because the hair over the ear was missing. To make MS-65, the strike had to be full! As the years have passed, it seems the major TPGS have not been as strict as they once were regarding strike - especially for "O" Mint coins. Who knows where it will end.

 

My guess is "in a CAC slab, with at least two layers of added stickers, and with the whole agglomeration sealed in an outer slab from still another grading company".

 

I think it's a fake because:

- It doesn't look right, and;
- The slab is missing the molded-in PCGS letters at the lower right obverse.

As to grading:

I think that, if genuine, the coin would have been graded MS-64 or maybe 65.

However, for the counterfeiters purposes it is graded correctly. I would say it is much easier to pass a fake graded and priced at 63 than a fake graded and priced at 64 or 65. Especially a coin that exhibits such a weak strike.

 

Probably giving them too much credit; I think they find a "template" and go with it, like all of their MS-64 "Morgan" Morgans...

Here's one that seems to miss the mark: