Cleaning coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Bryan Dillard, May 20, 2023.

  1. Bryan Dillard

    Bryan Dillard Active Member

    My father recently passed and left me his coins. He just kept them but never looked at them for errors or varieties. He kept about 20 pounds of lincoln cents in a leather bag. They are now coated with copper scale and crud. Is there any way to safely clean them so that they can be seen clearly. At present stage you cant tell what type coins they are, other than a copper cent.
     
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  3. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    You pose a hard question. It is hard to say with no photos. Leather and copper do not fair well together. My knowledge of coins in leather has copper forming a green waxy coating on the surfaces.
    If this is your case I would use glass container with a cover and soak them in
    denatured alcohol or acetone to try and separate, and dry them out some.
    Maybe try a small batch of 20 coins to see what will work best for you.
    Doing a few individual coins by hand /Q-tip first, may prove helpful.
    Use cautions with flammable liquids at all times.
     
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Bryan, from what you are describing it sounds like the coins are covered with verdigris. If it's green/greenish in color, that's almost certainly what it is. Verdigris is to copper what rust is to steel - in other words verdigris is the result of copper corroding. It is literally what the copper metal turns into when it corrodes.

    There is one and only one product that will remove it safely - Verdi-Care.

    https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/products/verdi-care.html

    Unfortunately for you 20 pounds is a lot of coins, a whole lot of coins. And the bottles that Verdi-Care comes in are pretty small. So you have 3 problems; 1 - the expense; 2 - being able to get enough of it; and 3 - even you could get enough, when coins are covered like you describe you'll have limited success getting it off. The man, BadThad, who invented it and sells it, is a member of this forum, and that's what he himself says.

    Verdi-Care works quite well when trying to remove isolated areas of verdigris from coins but not so much when the coins are covered with it. But you can sure get a bottle and give it a try.
     
  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That’s hard to deal with. Photos would help.
     
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  6. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Good luck with whatever you try, and be sure to post before and after photos (full image) of the results.
     
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  7. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    It may be less exciting, but I suggest going through the dates/mintmark and only use Verdi-care products on the ones that (1) are "better" dates and/or "better mintmarks AND (2) barely noticeable. Thad and I had similar chemistry interest
    along the way and there were a lot of distraction in the early days.I am happy he is
    doing so well!! Jim
     
  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    @BadThad I would probably start off by putting the coins in a strainer and pouring boiling water over them a few times to see if that would take anything off.
     
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  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    How about boiling water/acetone mix to soak for a short time ( Do not use the microwave or an open flame) ?
     
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  11. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I have actually used a microwave with ONE coin in the cup of water and it did fine. Two or more and you're asking for trouble!
     
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  12. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    I would first make sure there are no key, semi-key or mint state coins. Those should be conserved individually on their own if present.
     
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  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Not good
     
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  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Oh your a gem
     
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  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I’m fond of badtad as well.
     
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  16. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I can't picture a way to do this safely without a fume hood and some serious training.

    I've boiled acetone before by plopping its container into a bath of almost-boiling water that was heated by something that's now turned OFF. Even then, though, that's a quick concentrated burst of acetone vapor, that's (a) narcotic (in the knock-you-out sense, not the entertain-you sense), (b) super flammable, and (c) dense, which means it can roll along the floor until it finds its way to your refrigerator relay or your clothes dryer or any other spark source. Outdoors, maybe, but even then I'd be looking for alternatives. (Okay, I'd set up a reflux arrangement to condense and return the vapors, but that's because I'm trying to convince my wife to let me keep the organic glassware that's cluttering up the garage...)
     
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Folks, if Bryan's being literal here when he says this -

    - then several of the suggestions made above regarding identifying or picking out any of the coins would not even be possible.

    And Bryan, that's really why we need a picture of 1 or 2 of the coins - so we can see exactly what you're dealing with.
     
  18. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    No pics yet but question would coins not rubbing against the leather, those close to the center of this bundle, would they also be affected or could they remain untouched by the verdigris ?
     
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  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not necessarily, the leather is harmful because it is putting off specific harmful gasses.

    For verdigris to form, the only that is necessary is moisture. And that would be as present in the center of the bag as it is close to the bag.

    For the sake of clarity, I don't know for sure that what is on his coins even is verdigris. That is only an assumption on my part based on his description. Which of course is why we need pics so we can see exactly what it is.
     
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  20. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Thanks, I can't imagine pounds of copper and there could have been a 1909-S VDB in there ouch.
     
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  21. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Put
    For verdigris you have to have chloride ion also (I think)
     
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