I need to get some advice.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by simpsondanny46, May 4, 2023.

  1. simpsondanny46

    simpsondanny46 New Member

    Okay so what if I was to have found a 1989 jfk that has been struck on a 1802 Busted. What would the worth of it? Where would the safest place to take in hand cause I don't trust the mail? And what would the best selling options be for a coin like this? Please no negative feedback I am just wondering if I can get advice on this not if you believe I could have possibly found something like that.
    Thanks for your time.
     
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  3. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    I'd say someone manipulated it.
    Pictures would help, but if you don't trust the main find a coin show close and walk it in to a grading service.
    Worth??
    Depends on the results, but think about this...how would that happen?
    Good luck.
     
  4. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I do think that the vast majority will say it is not mint made, except possibly in China as the old mint equipment was donated from the U.S. to China a long time ago. Also it is impossible to give any opinion without photos of both sides and the edge. You won't get some large number of responses due to the above comment, and negative feedback ( if not snickery) is just as important as positive feedback. I
    believe the odds of finding this as a mint specimen is very very close to 0.0000000.
    Jim
     
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  5. simpsondanny46

    simpsondanny46 New Member

    Here is some pics I know there not that grate of pics but I can get better.
     

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    simpsondanny46 New Member

    Okay that's some better pics
     

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  8. simpsondanny46

    simpsondanny46 New Member

    I posted some new pics I don't have the best cam but this is a very odd coin and it does have edge letters and the thing outside of jfks mouth is very odd
     
  9. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    1980 Kennedy half dollar with environmental damage.
     
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  10. simpsondanny46

    simpsondanny46 New Member

    Okay thanks if you got the time what do you know about the 1903 proof cameo Indian heat
     

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  12. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    The Kennedy half edge picture clearly shows it is a normal clad half. It has been heavily damaged possibly been in a fire. The Indian cent is a normal coin that has been heavily polished.
     
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  13. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I too thought the half has environmental damage with possible fire damage.
    The IHC has been destructively polished.
    I think both coins no longer have any numismatic value.
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    So explain how a coin minted in 1802 could go through the mint again with a date of 1989. Mints have changed locations and equipment to produce coins as technology has advanced. No, it’s not possible but it is possible that it was manipulated after it left the mint.
     
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  15. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Both of these are heavily damaged coins. There is really no value. Sorry. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it is the truth.
     
  16. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    Can you elaborate more on this equipment we donated to China?
     
  17. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Mr. Peabodys' way back machine.........
     
  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That’s the only way I know of. Lol
     
  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    How? The 1802 coin was 2.5mm larger in diameter than modern halves. It wouldn't fit in the chamber.
     
  20. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Excerpt from address below. I do suspect some older US dies were sent also as scrap. China was much different then than now (IMO).

    https://www.coinbooks.org/v20/esylum_v20n28a27.html

    "Coin World joined the New York Times in a year-long investigation, resulting in Coin World’s publication of a series in December 2008 that revealed more than 100 thriving coin counterfeiting operations in China. Most were small, cottage type operations. The largest, owned by a 26-year-old entrepreneur, relied on vintage 1870s U.S. coin presses salvaged from “scrap metal” sold by the Chinese government. (The U.S. government in the 1920s sold old coining presses to China, which after using them for years recently sold them as scrap metal.)

    The proprietor of the largest coin counterfeiting operation in China claimed in 2008 that he had the capacity to produce 100,000 coins a month, most of which were older Chinese coin types and sold in China. However, he was expanding a new line of counterfeit U.S. coins and selling about 1,000 per month in the United States via eBay. His business plan called for locating and establishing “wholesale” buyers in the U.S. who would buy in bulk and help him to identify the most popular sellers. Most of his “replica” coins could be identified because he used iron-based planchets plated with silver or with the proper alloy to match the authentic coin. He accepted orders for 90 percent silver and gold counterfeits, but his prices reflected the higher quality planchets. They constituted a very small portion of his business."
     
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