I weep and sob

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by lordmarcovan, Apr 21, 2023.

  1. 1stSgt22

    1stSgt22 I'm just me! Supporter

    So sad for you!! Makes me sad and its not mine.
     
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  3. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    The light green color indicates a good chance it is silver(1)carbonate. It would be touchy and have to be monitored to not go beyond (longer) minimum treatment. Dilute Nitric acid soak, removing and repeating with maybe a little help. I use a very sharp point wood skewer that has had the end soaked in water for flexibility for stubborn areas. An expert can tell tell, but it will appear much better. You only need a very small amount of nitric acid ( add it to water , not reverse). There will be some trial and error since its hard to tell the depth of damage. Good Luck , Jim
     
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  4. DSessom

    DSessom New Member

    Good grief, that IS heart breaking! I sure hope you can find a way to preserve it as well as possible.

    By the way, it looks like maybe I will come over here now. The other place put me in jail, and I'm not even sure what I did wrong. But anyway, I do hope you can find a way to remove the oxidation and preserve that beautiful coin.
     
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  5. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    I’d like to know if NGCs NCS could restore it. If it means a lot just send it in and see what they can do. Where ever this was stored I hope it never goes back there.
     
  6. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’d try acetone then VC. Wonder if it was in a pvc holder
     
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  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    The Invasion of the "Bustie" snatchers! Ohh My!:nailbiting:
     
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  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I would take a toothpick and pick a small spot. Don't scrape or rub, just pock at the spot and see if it breaks apart. This may give you an idea of how attached the green stuff is.
    Next I would soak the coin in acetone for a few hours and take note of the color the acetone turns. Also see if the acetone made the spot turn soft.
     
  9. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Sorry to hear about your coin. I had similar problems with my old Lincoln cent collection due to Whitman folders. Had to take to most of them to the bank … it was that bad.

    I agree with others that if it means a lot to you, send it to NCS.

    If you want to DIY, Coin Collections, Their Preservation, Classification and Presentation by David MacDowell, 1978, UNESCO, is a good reference. Based on this guide, the coin has spots of copper carbonate perhaps mixed with horn silver (silver chloride). Not likely to have much horn silver unless coin was in contact with soil or salt water although being toted in sweaty pockets over the years could do it too. A little salt spray could get the whole process going and account for the spotty nature of the corrosion as could random pockets of higher copper concentration in the planchet.

    Treatment is immersion in 5% formic acid until the action stops. Carbonate turns to carbon dioxide with bubbling in the presence of acid. The copper will become free ions dissolved in the liquid, which may turn bluish. Change the solution every 30 minutes if the action goes that long. Rinse with distilled water. Then a 30-minute soak in 15% ammonium thiosulfate to remove horn silver and silver sulfide. Rinse with distilled water. Above applies only to coins that are almost entirely silver.

    Don’t have formic acid or ammonium thiosulfate? They can be bought online. Substitutes are strong vinegar (acetic acid) and a commercial de-toning product (these have a thiosulfate salt in them).

    Cal
     
  10. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Really sorry to see that Rob, very strange and a shame it had to happen on a sentimental coin of all the coins in your collection.

    PS- That play date we scheduled for our bust halves… we can’t make it after all. Uh…Grandma needs us to clean her gutters this weekend… bad storm, very bad, lots of gutter stuff.
     
  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    What are you going to do, Rob? You can't leave it. You have to get on it now.
     
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  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    DAMN... Hot distilled water soak several times and light brushing/prodding to remove the green, then acetone, dry and Verdicare
     
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  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    OMG, did you store that between two slices of bread?
     
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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The story: this was put away with some stuff in our storage shed after our last move, and it ended up staying out there three years in the heat and humidity. I lost track of where a lot of stuff is out there.

    Other silver coins stored with it seem unaffected. I initially thought I might have accidentally left it in a PVC holder, though even years ago I would never have used those. But acetone has not affected the crud, and I begin to think it is not PVC, but something more moisture related.

    I'll likely be sending it off to NCS for conservation. Since this one has more sentimental value than monetary value, it will be worth whatever expense that entails. I've owned this coin for 46 years now.
     
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  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That is a crying shame.
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    There might be hope yet.

    Acetone did nothing, but I baked the coin in a very hot oven for 20 minutes or so, then cooled it off in the freezer. The green spots shriveled into smaller black patches, which I was able to remove with a wooden tool.

    I then soaked it in distilled water and rubbed, and lots of filth came off.

    I've changed the water and will continue soaking, then perhaps repeat the process and go at it some with a soft brush.

    It has already improved about 50%. Will there be any pitting? Maybe, though most of the spots I removed did not seem to have affected the metal.

    Stay tuned! I'll post more pix later if I think about it.
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Look, after the baking and two soaks and two rubs!

    I’ve got it in vinegar now.

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  19. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    1000% better already. Awesome
     
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  20. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

  21. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Looking good again
     
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