Just compiled a list of 1794 die pairings S-17 (1-A) through S-72 (39-KK) and my list shows no pairing for OBV-38, REV-P and REV-Q. Have I made an error? If not what is up?
145 views and no answer yet. Must be a harder question than I thought. Can anyone point me to a good recently revised reference book containing updated OBV-REV die pairings for 1793 through 1796 Large Cents?
The only reference that I have is UNITED STATES LARGE CENTS/1793-1794 by William C. Noyes, 2006. It's Volume 1 of his six-volume set about US large cents. And it's not cheap.
Thanks Think I will be able to dig out my answer here https://1794largecents.com/1794/collection.htm This link shows there is no OBV-38 or REV-P - I wonder why? My listing shows OBV-11, OBV-12, OBV-17 each as the same obverse die progressed to different die stages - Is the correct? Looks like the only remaining mystery I need to confirm is REV-Q - I wonder if this may be the same die as REV-O or maybe REV-R and I just didn't make the notation?
I have only two 1794 Large Cents. I've got them ID'ed as an S-54 and an S-58. The "S" is for Sheldon who was the first person to seriously quantify the 1794 varieties. There is apparently 65 die varieties. There are some good people in here who are much more familiar than I am with these coins. Hopefully one will drop by but you may have to post images.
I have the S-41 die paring on my list as OBV-18 with REV-O the link I provided above has the S-41 die pairing as OBV-18 with REV-Q. i wonder if this is a labeling error on my part or if REV-O and REV-Q are the same die at different die stages? Guess I need to conduct some additional investigation into the matter.
The REV-O and REV-Q mystery is solved. It was my fault - a labeling error - each are their own unique die. Still like to know why OBV-38 and REV-P disappeared.
For those who are not familiar with the nomenclature, Sheldon assigned “NC” numbers to very rare pieces that he termed “Not Collectable” because very few collectors could get them. These pieces do not have the normal Sheldon numbers. When more are discovered, which often happens after an authority writes that something is rare and people start looking for it, specialists quip that they are “Now Collectable.” Most of the NCs are still beyond the pocketbooks of most collectors.
@johnmilton, thanks. I've seen NC in Noyes books but never knew what it meant. Guess I should read more deeply.
Thanks Jack Perhaps you wouldn't mind expanding on your answer by filling in the blanks? NC-1 die pairing = OBV-??? and REV-??? NC-2 die pairing = OBV-??? and REV-P NC-3 die pairing = OBV-38 and REV-???
NC-1 die pairing = OBV-15 and REV-L NC-2 die pairing = OBV-11 and REV-P NC-3 die pairing = OBV-38 and REV-KK
Just a little note - to keep people from getting confused on NC-2 between Jack and messydesk. OBV-11 = OBV-12 = OBV-17 All three obverses have been determined to be the same die just in different states.
