I have a problem. I just found a 1983 P Lincoln in a bank roll, (unfortunately the coin is a mess). I'm certain United is doubled. I have the markers on the reverse for stage "C". The problem is I don't have the die scratches on the obverse (perhaps they have worn off), however I do have a large die chip on the "L" in Liberty - which isn't mentioned in the description on Wexler's. The question is do you agree with my DDR listing? I apologize for the picture quality, it was the best I could get. Thanks: Lou
To the best of my knowledge (and I am partially posting in here to learn a bit more...) the die markers are an all or nothing affair. Either they match or they don't. It doesn't mean its not a variety, it just means most likely its not the one you're thinking...
Lou…IMO that is die deterioration you are seeing. Otherwise, the coin has no other redeeming qualities. The only reason you would keep that unattractive cent is if it weighed out to be copper…Spark
Agreed with die deterioration. They were trying to save the die as evidenced by the heavy die polishing.
I've been told both. Some say ALL markers must be present-which I agree with, others say not all markers are necessary. I could understand some markers may be worn off-which I think would be rare. The appearance of a die marker-such as in this case the appearance of a die break under "FG" at stage "C" can also happen.
I agree with a gas bubble. I guess I must agree with deterioration. In my defense the bottom leg of the "E" in United looks like doubling-as does the inside vertical of the "D". If I had all of the markers I would I would defend doubling with deterioration. Obviously I need more work. Thanks: Lou
Coppercoins also has their examples, die stages will change with the deterioration, matching exactly also means that the coin can have attributes of two different die stages. Most of the time die markers get worse. But there are instances that the die gets a good lapping and it will remove old markers and leave new ones. Most of the time I don't even look for the variety in this condition unless it's a major. If you were metal detecting though. You dig all the signals.
Remember that doubling doesn't appear only in one or two spots unless the die was not installed perfectly vertical, otherwise there should be doubling in much of the image. This applies to double squeezed dies of old, not the very modern single squeeze process which should not be called a doubled die anyway in my opinion. Jim
Yeah, I hate deterioration. For some reason the '83 Lincoln DDR is one I've always been interested if finding. Guess I've got a little too much invested-time wise- in this one. I admit I do get a bit overzealous sometimes, and I jump to conclusions. Just having fun, always liked a good mystery. I did a little metal detecting in the early '70's but life got in the way. Thanks: Lou
Wow. I mean that just sounds like it's important. The lengths those variety morons go to, you know? I'm talking about them, not you, you're just falling head over heels for it.
That would be DDR#2- reverse-class five doubling, counterclockwise rotation From k4, 4 oclock. Just making sure you know there is a meaning behind the numbers.
