Real of fake/restrikes please urgent

Auction coming up and these are part of a small group of coins....one of which I am interested in........but I feel a little uneasy for some reason.....do these look cast?

I think if the Russian one is real it's very valuable........and even the Italian one looks to be a few hundred bucks.........should say real or fake.........can't edit

 

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1912 ruble looks fake from those photos.

 

Please let me know your observations.......reasons why......the odd thing is that I am not interested in the Russian stuff but a Canadian coin in with them but I now feel that might be fake too even though I did see it in hand...need to use a loupe and look for specific things.........think I will pass on it..........when something is too good to be true..........they say it usually is......

 

Ruble 1912 IS a fake. No doubt. Probably as the rest of the coins´lot

 

OK I hear you......there was an 1889 Can 25c in XF40 or thereabouts...........clearly all these coins were too good to be true......

 

Russian coin is definitely fake. There has been a flood of such counterfeits coming out from Eastern Europe within the last 5 years. Compare it against high resolution photos and I'm sure you will agree something is off.

 

See group.........if real I would imagine would be worth in excess of 5,000 bucks......I did examine the 1889 25c but I think someone like me would need to sit there for an hour with a loupe and Charlton catalogue to try an work out if that coin was fake or not.........

 

Can't speak for other coins but the 1922 ruble is not genuine as well. This if genuine is a few hundred dollar coin.

In the last couple of years, counterfeiters have targeted scarcer coins. You often see new ebay sellers trying to offset a group of Russian, German (and German PNG), Japanese counterfeits at the same time. Unfortunately they are winning the game at the moment. This does not seem to be an exception.

 

Many thanks.........the auction is today so will withdraw my initial nominal bid as I was interested in the Canadian coin which is also probably a fake too. The Auction House is not a numismatic specialist and when I first saw the coins they were rubbing together in a little plastic bag.....so no concern about the coins shown.....when I mentioned this, the auctioneer said if the vendor isn't concerned about the coins nor are we!

 

Auction House rang me this morning and agreed the coins were fake.........

Thanks for the help gents

 

You welcome

 

Just a final note to say that the Auction House did not 'pull' the lot and sold the fake coins anyway..........realised £70 plus BP.

 

Did the auction house present them as fake or genuine?

 

Unsure as didn't listen to their audio on the live auction.......but catalogue online was not amended......

 

Auction´s House name, please? Just for record

 

The Auction Centre, Runcorn, Cheshire...........they are on thesalesroom auction platform and they own website of course. Having spoken to a more experienced collector in the North West, he has noticed more of these sorts of fakes liberally dispersed in various Cheshire auction houses. It is unfortunate that these are being peddled into the collector market by Auction Houses knowingly or unknowingly.

 

I can't imagine an auction house would knowingly put their reputation on the line for what amounts to a drop in the bucket money-wise. The problem is they just don't know what they are handling. Even more prominent and numismatic oriented auction firms have had to pull lots due to fake coins they initially overlooked.

 

Not sure I agree as they don't really have a reputation to protect............and these coins were just being tossed about in a plastic bag together without any due diligence at all.........auctioneer said, oh well I didn't catalogue them.....

 

Well that just sounds like a back-alley sort of deal then

 

Well it's an auction house of sorts but has a high turnover of low value items.........so when such coins come in, I imagine they just slap a low value on them........also that way if they are fake they just say well, what did you expect for that price/estimate.............auction houses over here do it all the time. This auction house wrote silver/white metal as another strategy to cover themselves against fakes and that way they don't need to invest any time in researching what they are selling.