Mystery British “junk” lot piece perhaps some type of Farthing

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  1. serdogthehound

    serdogthehound Well-Known Member

    8BB8AD66-72A2-4C74-AFBB-9099413AA121.jpeg 98556F57-E5FF-46A0-9E33-0D627AF33168.jpeg Trying to figure this out . Can’t see any hint of date or legend . The boarder around the monarch is struck . The VII is close in size to a Farthing but a bit bigger and a lot thicker . I am guessing it’s some type of 18C gaming token or counter . If it’s total junk it fine that lot was awesome
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Yeah, looks like a "fantasy piece". Obviously old though. Too bad there is no date. The image (Britannia) is very crude as well. ;)
     
  4. serdogthehound

    serdogthehound Well-Known Member

    Its interesting the lot was really cool(going to post everything over the weekend) and it did include an Evasion(aka they are different so you can't hang/transport/make me take the king's shilling) half penny (Atkins 314) so I could see perhaps a contemptry counterfeit I can see the with the same logic
     
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  5. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    I think it might be a gaming token too. Not a merchant token for sure because it has no name or business on it.

    Bruce
     
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  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't that be Georgius lll. No matter what it is it is a neat token.
     
  7. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Could well be a genuine 4th issue farthing (1806-7) which has been modified if a few details are satisfied. The prongs of the trident point to the right place on the N, the position of the exergue line is about right and the size of the portrait is about right. It looks fairly corroded, but still seems a good fit to me.

    If the diameter is 21.5mm, if the thickness is 1.75-2mm, if there is a trace of a K (or a dot) on the truncation, if there is a slightly recessed groove with internal milling running around the edge and the ring surrounding the portrait has been milled flat to remove the legend and date, i.e. the portrait is raised above the 'moat' - then someone has had a bit of fun at some point. If genuine, then it originally looked like this.
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  8. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I’m not able to help you but I like it
     
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  9. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    If the size is the same then it's a possibility, but not being able to check the weight is a drawback. Too many modifications there to factor in the weight. This is really a piece you have to study closely in-hand.

    Bruce
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Very interesting piece. I initially thought it might be some kind of model coin, but upon hearing @robp's rationale for it possibly being an altered 4th issue farthing, I think I can buy that. Of course that still doesn't tell us why, but it's interesting, regardless.
     
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