How do you feel about dark colored coins.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by bosco5041, Apr 1, 2023.

  1. bosco5041

    bosco5041 Member

    I'm not talking about black coins but maybe dark charcoal gray in color and earlier coins such as draped bust and capped bust or maybe even liberty seated and barber coinage. Does it take away from the value? Would you buy a dark coin if it was priced right (to keep, not to flip)?
     
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I tend to be drawn to dark coins 10 to 1 over shinny ones....
     
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  4. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    Dark coins no problem. I'm an equal opportunity collector.
     
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I'm less concerned about a coin being darkly toned, than about it being unnaturally so. Many coins have been abused over the years, and darkly retoned to hide the sins of their abusers.

    The coin below looks both unnaturally dark and suspiciously uniform in color throughout most of its surfaces, implying an accelerated oxidation of the coin, and has me questioning why. This coin was likely immersed in an oxidizing solution or impressed into an oxidizing substance. I could go on about other things that look wrong with it, but this discussion is all about depth of toning (credit to eBay seller xpojojx_8 for photos).

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    The coin below is dark as well, but looks much more like I'd expect for a coin which has lived a normal life (credit to eBay seller barber for photos). Note the areas that are inherently protected from oxidation are lightest . . . the highest points not only tend to have toning worn off of them, but also often contact another surface, slowing oxidation of those points because less oxygen is available per unit area. This coin likely rested upon and was covered by oxidizing materials (sulphur-borne paper, leather, etc).

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    Finally, the coin below not only looks completely natural, but exhibits what I consider extraordinary appeal for a darkly toned coin (credit to eBay seller redhouse_rarities for photos). This coin is more likely to have been surrounded by oxidizing material, rather than resting upon it, as evident from the depth of color in the peripheries and the gradual lightening of the toning toward the centers of the coin. It takes time for toning to progress radially as was the case here, and this is an unusually appealing example of that fact.

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    I have had some darkly toned coins that were my absolute favorites for the date, hands down. I have also passed on a great many dark coins because they just did not look the part.

    Know the difference, and use it to your advantage.
     
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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Like a whole lot of things in life, it's basically a chocolate and vanilla thing. I was never a fan of them myself and pretty much always avoided them - didn't buy the dark shades - for that reason. But over the years I owned a lot of the lighter shades.

    The various shades of grey, and there are a great many shades, are the single most common color of toning there is. Even a lot of the coins folks refer to as "white", aren't really white, but simply one of the lighter shades of grey. That is because all coins begin to tone the moment after they are struck. And freshly dipped coins begin to tone just as fast as freshly struck coins, and some even faster, depending on conditions.
     
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  7. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    I like the looks of it on my shipwreck piece,also my half reale. Screenshot_20221227-120941_Photos.jpg Screenshot_20221227-120945_Photos.jpg Screenshot_20221227-120949_Photos.jpg Screenshot_20221223-195623_Photos.jpg Screenshot_20221223-195612_Photos.jpg
     
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  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I enjoy some dark coins as long as they are not ugly to me. I think dark with nice luster or nice color are pretty, sometimes.
    Many would not care for this coin but I fell in love with it. NGC called it PF-64.
    I would not blame anyone that did not care for it.
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  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    My darkest Bust Half and it is also my favorite.
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    If they are "deadly dull" with no luster coming up from below, I don't care for them.

    This 1913 Proof Dime is on the dark side. If you look at it under a strong light, the Proof surface shows, and there are no hairlines. Therefore it received a PR-66. Still it was not one of my better purchases.

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  11. bosco5041

    bosco5041 Member

    Toughcoins, that was a great explanation and education. It confirms what I thought. Thank you.
     
  12. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Dark is good!
     
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  14. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    This is a wacist Thread......
     
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  15. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    I like to have wonderous variety in my collection. I collect Seated coins and have just about every version of toning you can think of. My guiding rule with a dark coin is that I can SEE the details of the coin. If I cannot grade the coin accurately than I pass. James
     
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  16. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Go easy on us, Chawley.
     
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  17. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    We are talking eye appeal here, and I like my coins as close to as they would have looked right out the door: bright, shiny, disks.
     
  18. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I like a nice original luster white silver coin. But the other end of the spectrum is also quite interesting.
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  19. Marsden

    Marsden Well-Known Member

    Lots of beautiful dark coins out there, and several right here in this thread!
     
  20. Marsden

    Marsden Well-Known Member

    A Peace Dollar which got away. I was outbid, by a fair margin too. I really crave that gun-metal color.

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  21. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    For this one it depends on the lighting. I was a bit disappointed at first but it has grown on me.
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