?Cleaned?

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  1. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Hi, I have this seated liberty dime I had purchased in Hawaii. The man I bought it from said he found it metal detecting a few blocks down. I believe him and I want to believe him but it strangely looks cleaned. Unless it's just environmental "damage" but I'm not sure. All input is appreciated.
     

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  3. jensenbay

    jensenbay Well-Known Member

    If the guy dug it out of the ground... he probably cleaned it off.
     
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  4. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Good point, good point. I think you are right :)
     
  5. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    You sir, get the honor of my second ever 'best answer' click. :)
     
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  6. jensenbay

    jensenbay Well-Known Member

    I guess it's been a good day then.
     
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  7. mac266

    mac266 Well-Known Member

    That's just good ol' fashioned logic, right there. Think about it: It was buried. In the ground. Probably for a LOOOONG time. So it has some environmental damage, and the guy who dug it up undoubtedly cleaned it off.

    ANY time you buy a coin that has been dug up from the ground, it's going to have some environmental damage and cleaning.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes, but the problem with that is that there is cleaning, and there is harsh cleaning.

    Cleaning is perfectly fine and does not harm the coin.

    Harsh cleaning is not fine and does harm the coin.

    And with a ground find it is at best difficult and sometimes almost impossible to distinguish if what you see on the coin - the tell tale scratches, and/or the loss of any luster - is/was the result of harsh cleaning, or just the result of being in the ground.

    The reason I am making this distinction is because you can find a coin in the ground and then clean it properly, doing no additional harm to the coin. Or you can clean it improperly and do more harm to the coin.

    Nonetheless, a ground find is almost always going to be a problem coin, for one reason or the other. And that's really the only thing that matters.
     
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  9. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    The only thing that SHOULD matter is that someone rescued an amazing piece of history, and probably peaked someone else's interest in the hobby while they were at it!
     
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  10. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Yeah, thanks guys
     
  11. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Interesting coin. A lot (most?) of the soils in Hawaii are sandy, either beach sand, degraded lava or a mix I've observed detectorists in Hawaii, and they seem to prefer these soils. People often lose metal objects at beaches, sandy soils are easy to dig, and state law restricts metal detecting in parks to beaches (and some of these are off limits). So, the amount cleaning done by the finder was probably minimal. Environmental damage for sure (abrasion and maybe salt water corrosion).

    I wonder how many coins are embedded in or buried under lava on the big island. Hualali last erupted in 1801, so there are probably few coins entombed there. Mauna Loa has erupted repeatedly in the 19th and 20th centuries. Kilauea is erupting now. Some of the entombed coins may not surface again for thousands of years. A pristine Morgan or double eagle could be found in the year 5,000 or 10,000!

    Cal
     
  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Cool find looks to be a Valentine #2 :)
     
  13. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Wow. That's interesting. I was on the big island and it would surprise me about some environmental damage, I was right next to Akaka Falls, a famous waterfall
     
  14. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    W
    What exactly is that?
     
  15. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    It's the die marriages .
     
  16. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Was Hawaii even an island in 1854?
     
  17. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Then and now......
     
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  18. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    But then again.......'No man is an island'.........
     
  19. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Oh
     
  20. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Apparently, type in "Hawaii in 1854" a bunch of stuff comes up about some Hawaiin king XD
     
  21. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yes,as it's always been an island, but wasn't a state until 1959.
    Some of us old dudes as kids remember our flag having 48 stars on it not 50.
     
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