1914 D Barber Dime Verdigris problem.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Silverhouse, May 9, 2016.

  1. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    It's been a couple weeks and I still haven't had time to do the acetone soak, however here are some better shots of this spot.

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  3. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Just place soaked q tip on coin, no need to rub, no scratches. If need be, you can even roll qtip over spot but don't slide it.
     
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  4. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    First off, the MSDS is now obsolete. The CFR has been updated by OSHA to HC 2012 which specifies the use of an SDS (Safety Data Sheet). Technically, as of June 2015, all chemical manufacturers must have an SDS for each of their products.

    The range shown on an MSDS can be ANYTHING a manufacturer wishes, there was no standard for the older HC1994. Typically ranges were used, i.e. 70-100%, but it was truly the "wild west" on what and how much was listed as they were not specified in the older standard (US). The HC2012 standard requires mfg's to show "exact concentration" unless it's considered a trade secret. Well, guess what? Almost all mfg's consider their compositions trade secrets so we're still seeing ranges used.

    The bottom line, you cannot fully trust the values shown on an MSDS and the same is true with an SDS. If you need an accurate assessment of concentration(s), you must have a COA (Certificate of Analysis).

    All acetone will contain traces of water unless it's certified as "anhydrous" or dried using molecular sieve. Acetone is hygroscopic and will absorb water (and other impurities) with exposure to air. I would not use the word "adulterated" as that implies something was intentionally ruined, a better word is "contaminated", as this can be from the manufacture or by the end-user. With acetone, the impurities are usually volatile in themselves so, if the starting quality is ACS or better reagent grade, you really have no worries.

    As far as coins, a quality acetone from a hardware store is usually sufficient. Normally, these production runs are the same as they use for reagent grade. Typically, the only difference is in the testing and certification process although some chemicals may require additional steps such as filtration or tighter distillation. IMO, it's not enough to warrant concern for coin conservation.

    As far as rinsing with water AFTER using acetone, that's just plain dumb. Water just re-hydrates the surfaces inviting corrosion. If your coin requires a water rinse after acetone, then your acetone is contaminated or your coin surfaces still contain a residue (which can haze after being dehydrated with acetone). This is why I always recommend using the Polarity Ladder rather than just jumping directly to acetone.
     
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  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    On this we disagree. First of all, I've personally seen to many examples of a coin getting a whitish cast (a completely unnatural look) to them after rinsing or soaking them in acetone. The rinse in distilled water, followed by proper drying procedure, does away with this whitish cast - every single time.

    Secondly, the coin is absolutely going to become re-hydrated anyway from the ambient humidity in the air, so the rinse in distilled water, followed by proper drying, is going to result in the exact same amount of hydration on the coin - so the rinse is sure not going to hurt anything

    But it will prevent those cases where the coin has that whitish and unnatural look to it.
     
  6. Copper56

    Copper56 Active Member

    Lot of 'observations' here. I'm just wondering about all those little bumps of (maybe) stray metal. And, are there any of those on the obverse?
     
  7. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Is it possible to see the obverse as well? Secondly, Will the author ever have time to soak the coin? Thanks
     
  8. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    JK, acetone will most likely work wonders on this coin.
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    OMG. Anyone who knows what they are doing like a few posters here could fix that coin in shorter time than it took me to post this!

    JUST DO IT and stop the :yack::yack::yack::yack::yack:

    @Silverhouse PM me.
     
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  10. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    ok
     
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