Can these grade?

Anyone think there is a possibility either of these would grade? BTW, there is more green on that 1911 than I managed to capture.

 

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Very attractive. Absolutely they can grade. IMO, AU-58 "Art Color" for each at a TPGS; yet the color looks like it could be natural to me.

If you tip the coins in the light and you see continuous hairlines, then their color is not natural and a chemical residue from the cleaning caused them to tone in an album.

In the photos, the untoned parts of the coin are too shiny with no mint frost.

Just for laughs, post a photo in florescent light if you can.

 

I don't see any problem based on color. Unless there are some hidden problems the photos don't show, I think it's all good.

 

Not sure - but if I went only off the pictures I would say no. To me it does not look 100% natural - but what do I and and who knows with a tpg.

 

I've got some '60''s cents, that I stored in manilla envelopes for years, that look similar to these Richard (and Mark )...........I think the color is natural and that these should straight grade.........

 

I would agree. Looks like typical "bullseye" toning stereotypical of envelope stored coins. Usually if they were in old albums the reverse would be far less toned than the obverses.

Nothing is screaming AT to me.

 

would this grade ? no reverse pic...



the color is amazing.

 

I have my doubts, NGC bagged a few coins I submitted like that...but I didn't try PCGS. It comes down to whether they want it in one of the holders more so the AT/NT determination IMO.

That first coin is dead-on wayte raymond toned Lincolns that I've seen.

 

The TPG's are displaying historic levels of paranoia about color these days. Despite the fact that you and I find the toning quite believable from "natural" circumstances, I sincerely doubt they have much of a chance to reach a slab.

 

I doubt PCGS would grade these. These might have a fighting chance at NGC.

 

@spirityoda: I don't see any problem with that cent, either.

 

I know it's the essence of toning, but it's always fun to see photos of how light and angle can change the appearance of a coin drastically.

 

Not sure if some of these pics are of the same coin, different ones, etc. the rainbow ones look questionable to me but I'd need to see in hand. The 1916 obverse had a weird color in the middle but can't tell from the pics.

 

Pretty sure that's an artifact of funky lighting and the fact that the coins are in 2x2s.

 

I think their natural but I think the way the tpgs are with color it's very unlikely they'll straight grade

 

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It's really sad when such coins get rejected by the coin hobby. I have pulled similar coins out of envelopes and folders that have been sitting there for decades.

 

Clearly album toning. The 1911 would grade but the 1916 has about a 50% shot on a good day. I'm leaning toward no. It looks cleaned/retoned.

 

The "hobby" isn't rejecting them, just the TPG's. We ought to, though, because an enterprising coin MD can create AT coins indistinguishable from NT coins with little effort. Toning cannot be trusted, in most cases, any more.

 

Yeah, but others here always say "never buy an unslabbed coin" and if a coin isn't slabbed they believe its not worth owning.

Btw, toning has NEVER been trustworthy. That is what I have been saying all along, (for years here on CT). Pristine surfaces should be valued, not color. I was shown as a kid first hand how toners did it. Back then they did it to hide surface imperfections. That is why so many coins were dipped, to prove they hadn't been AT to hide something. I never liked that, preferring to look the coin over and buying naturally toned coins back when they didn't cost any more. Today's collectors who ONLY value color have it wrong. They should be valuing original surfaces, which naturally become colorful over time. To only rely on color or toning can be misleading.