Portugal Medieval Coin

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Dcordeiro, May 19, 2016.

  1. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    Hope you like it.

    Its a Portuguese coin from the reign of King Ferdinand I (1367-83)

    We call these coins "Barbudas". It is not clear where the name came from.

    + SI : DNS : MICHI : AIVTOR : NON : TIME :
    SI DOMINUS MIHI ADJUTOR NON TIMEBO
    (The Lord is he who helps me, I shall not fear)

    + FERNANDUS : REX : PORTUGALI : ALG

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Never seen the type, pretty neat coin.
     
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  4. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    It's one of the iconic type coins of Portuguese hammered coins. Rarely do they appear with full and readable legend.
     
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  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    very interesting looking coin. :jawdrop::cat:
     
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  6. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    I have to ask, what's going on with his face? Is that supposed to represent his armor?
     
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  7. John Connelly

    John Connelly New Member

    Neet. Appreciate ancient coins with "pictures" on them. insights into society of that time. In this case, the Nobility.
     
  8. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Very nice coin, were they silver and what size are they
     
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  9. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    The King is wearing his Armour Helm. There are two types of Helm for this same coin.

    This is the other type. (This one is top quality, expensive little coins these ones)
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    Last edited: May 20, 2016
  10. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    Yes they were part silver, around 250/1000.
    Size: 26 mm
    Weight: 4,3g
     
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  11. arkantos

    arkantos New Member

    Very interesting coin with details :) Is that a letter right from the head?
     
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  12. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    It is the "L" letter mintmark, corresponding to the coin having been minted in Lisbon. Porto (second biggest city in Portugal) also minted coins of this type (with "P" mintmark) and are even scarcer and valued.
     
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  13. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    my first question was about the obverse bust's face as well...what a cool coin dcordeiro!
     
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  14. ewomack

    ewomack 魚の下着

    Very awesome! I love the depiction of the King's armored head!

    ...and who says Latin is a dead language? :D
     
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  15. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    Interesting coin.

    The coin name "barbuda" or "bearded" might be a slang term for the armor covering on the king's face.

    :)
     
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  16. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    Recently there was one of these sold in Heritage and "supposedly" in MS61 (as you can understand by my "" I dont agree with the MS classification). Nevertheless, its a great coin, with "P" mintmark and was sold for 734 USD.

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  17. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice coin, I agree with you about third party slabbing. I have a lot of Medieval material from European auctions....in most cases coins are graded CH EF, yet were previously slabbed as MS-63/64/65!
     
  18. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    I just don't trust TPG's to have the experience and know how to grade hammered coins correctly. I have seen several examples (Portuguese hammered coins) were the results are just simply all "over the field".

    I also think that the grading presented by most European auction houses is really really a lot more strict then the TPG's (and it's not just by one grade). And I do get a little bit concerned when I see a MS64 graded coin pop up as AU by the auction house. It makes me think that my German State coins that are all PCGS graded will take a value hit if they were to be sold through a European auction house instead of... Heritage for example.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2016
  19. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Sometimes even MS-65 slabbed coins, are graded by Kunker as Vorz. (EF)
    Here is my AV Salut d'or from English occupied France/ Henry VI/ Saint Lo Mint graded by Belgian (Gallery 51) as mint state/ Heritage probably would have it as MS-67 or better. john photos 1 035 (Medium).jpg john photos 1 036 (Medium).jpg
     
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  20. Dcordeiro

    Dcordeiro Active Member

    Fully agree with you! At least it was graded by auction house as mint state.
     
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